• ElGosso [he/him]
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      4 years ago

      You see a lot of succdems smashing out the Democratic party office windows?

    • radicalhomo [he/him]
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      4 years ago

      that's how it was originally created but now it's used as a general antifascist symbol

        • ap1 [any,undecided]
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          4 years ago

          sometimes its good to read more than the first sentence on a wikipedia article

          The Three Arrows were thought to represent the struggle of the social democratic movement against reaction (referring to monarchism), capitalism and fascism.

          originally no

          On a widely used and publicized SPD election poster for the 6 November 1932 Reichstag elections, the Three Arrows were used to represent opposition to the Communist Party, the monarchist wing of the Centre Party, and the Nazi Party, accompanied by the slogan "Against Papen, Hitler, Thälmann."

          Thälmann being the major force that shifted the KPD from Leninism to Stalinism. Yes it's factional, not it's not against communism as a concept.

          The three arrows also represented the three agents of working class strength: political (represented by the SPD), economic (represented by the trade unions) and physical (represented by the Reichsbanner Schwarz-Rot-Gold).[9][10]

          The symbol had been modified to include a circle, and the symbolism changed to represent the unity of industrial workers, farm workers and intellectuals.

          ^ which is the version that is most commonly used now

          • darkcalling [comrade/them, she/her]
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            4 years ago

            So first off, they're largely correct about the symbol with the circle around it being different. I won't get into origins of that or how distasteful I find it that they use something the vile SPD traitors and Rosa killers made. It has a history and tbh I don't care enough to dig into it and try and sus out what came from where and whether this has its origins in the synthetic left the CIA cultivated in Europe and which then perhaps jumped the Atlantic. I don't know. Seems plausible to me but I'm not going to waste effort on it as it doesn't seem particularly useful as tbh even if I could strongly show this, those who use and defend it would deny it ever more strongly.

            Thälmann being the major force that shifted the KPD from Leninism to Stalinism. Yes it’s factional, not it’s not against communism as a concept.

            This is absurd. Anti-communism by any other name. There is no "Stalinism" other than as an ignorant slur used by anti-communist fools. Anyways the symbol they used (the one without a circle around it with the arrows pointed at a crown for monarchy, a swastika for fascism, and a red star with a white hammer and sickle for the soviet union and communism more broadly) was clearly against the only communist power in existence at the time which was the USSR.

            These people were social democrats in every way that mattered and well Stalin and many others including Rosa had very potent words against them, far better than any condemnation I can give. They were the very grandfathers of "left anti-communism" which Parenti correctly describes as the unkindest cut.

            Anyways, look how that worked out for those pieces of shit at the SPD. Not well at all, not for them, although quite well for the Nazis.

            Stalin did nothing more than synthesize what Lenin wrote and advocated for into practice and adapt to the conditions as they unfurled I think I can speak for nearly all Marxist-Leninists here when I say we categorically reject as ignorant, disgusting, divisive, anti-communist BULLSHIT, attempts to separate Lenin and Stalin in the way the snitch Orwell and every piece of shit anti-communist with more than two braincells has been doing in the west for the past 70 years and more. I am serious here folks, look at decent history books that try and passingly engage with it in the US. To a one they all portray Trotsky as a sympathetic victim and many give the impression of Lenin as a good guy who inevitably (because muh human nature) was replaced by this caricature creature, this evil monster drawing of Stalin they have who ruined everything with his brutality. Stalin's greatest crime to the authors of this narrative, many of whom were likely Nazis themselves the US helped escape and gave power in NATO and elsewhere was Stalin's defeat of Hitler and keeping the USSR together afterwards. Anyone who rejects Stalin but upholds Lenin has a head full of propaganda where critical thought should be.