yeah they're a pretty high-security state but that's not a bad thing, I don't get why other MLs keep trying to deny that. They wouldn't be so high-security if they weren't constantly sieged by every Western power in existence.
Getting mad at socialist states for being red fash authoritarians is stupid because it ignores the conditions that led to such a situation, but the other side of the goober coin is people that just deny that they’re auth in the first place I guess
True. And if you consistently applied Marxism to North Korea, you would find that is an exploitative capitalist country which provides the material basis for repression.
Well I’d assume many people feel the same way, but that’s not my point. I’m saying that getting mad at socialist states for having big militaries and police forces is stupid because these were largely defensive measures. Castro would have been assassinated without his (fairly brutal) counterintelligence agency, Russia would be speaking German without the massive Red Army, and the UN would’ve conquered all of Korea without the PLA
I would agree on the nuke thing. I also agree on the economic point, but the problem with tying yourself into the global market like China is that aiding socialist revolutions around the globe becomes very taboo. If China started arming the Philippine Maoists and like European communist parties or something, the global community would definitely try to retaliate via sanctions and diplomatic isolation, more so than they are already doing that currently.
So, in the 40s-80s it felt like every 5 years a new government became socialist, because the USSR was openly committed to sponsoring revolutions. We will never see that ever again, because China has no motivation to arm rebels in a country when they can just trade with the current administration. Kinda sad
So it’s kinda like a stalemate, the US can’t destroy China because they trade with them, but China can’t weaken the US by aiding socialists in other countries
I mean yes. Full support for the DPRK but they look pretty "authoritarian" to me. I just don't think that has to be a bad thing
yeah they're a pretty high-security state but that's not a bad thing, I don't get why other MLs keep trying to deny that. They wouldn't be so high-security if they weren't constantly sieged by every Western power in existence.
Getting mad at socialist states for being red fash authoritarians is stupid because it ignores the conditions that led to such a situation, but the other side of the goober coin is people that just deny that they’re auth in the first place I guess
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the opposite of Marxism, historical idealism
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True. And if you consistently applied Marxism to North Korea, you would find that is an exploitative capitalist country which provides the material basis for repression.
Well I’d assume many people feel the same way, but that’s not my point. I’m saying that getting mad at socialist states for having big militaries and police forces is stupid because these were largely defensive measures. Castro would have been assassinated without his (fairly brutal) counterintelligence agency, Russia would be speaking German without the massive Red Army, and the UN would’ve conquered all of Korea without the PLA
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I would agree on the nuke thing. I also agree on the economic point, but the problem with tying yourself into the global market like China is that aiding socialist revolutions around the globe becomes very taboo. If China started arming the Philippine Maoists and like European communist parties or something, the global community would definitely try to retaliate via sanctions and diplomatic isolation, more so than they are already doing that currently.
So, in the 40s-80s it felt like every 5 years a new government became socialist, because the USSR was openly committed to sponsoring revolutions. We will never see that ever again, because China has no motivation to arm rebels in a country when they can just trade with the current administration. Kinda sad
So it’s kinda like a stalemate, the US can’t destroy China because they trade with them, but China can’t weaken the US by aiding socialists in other countries
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Yeah exactly
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The Chinese nuke arsenal is relatively small as it happens
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