• aaro [they/them, she/her]
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    1 year ago

    not only is it bourgeoise, but it is also homophobic, reactionary, haram, counterrevolutionary, ecocidal, and frankly cheugy as hell

  • Abraxiel
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    1 year ago

    The transition of marriage from a primarily economic union to one that is based in personal companionship is something that I think is actually a very good aspect of modernity.

  • TraschcanOfIdeology [they/them, comrade/them]
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    It can be, and it often is, but it's not because it is ontologically bourgeois or reactionary, rather it's because hegemonic ideology will grab onto every institution found in human life and ascribe it's values to it, turning it into a normalizing force that self-enforces itself in order to support the power relations that led to it existing in the first place, as is the case of marriage reinforcing the patriarchy and heteronormativity which led to marriage existing in turn.

    Gramsci lays out in a great way how hegemony coopts institutions and human life gramsci-heh

    • JoeByeThen [he/him, they/them]
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      1 year ago

      Do have any beginner reading you'd recommend of Gramsci? I got the first volume of the Prison Notebooks, but it was a bit out of my league.

      • dannoffs@lemmy.sdf.org
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        1 year ago

        The prison notebooks are the bulk of his available work. I'd say read one of the "selections from Gramsci's prison notebooks" books.

        • TraschcanOfIdeology [they/them, comrade/them]
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          1 year ago

          This is a good starting point! There's also no shame in reading annotated versions, where more accessible authors elaborate on the ideas present in the text. I can't recommend any in English because I've only read Gramsci in Spanish and Italian, but I'm sure there must be good translations of him in English, maybe even by pete-eat's dad.

      • TraschcanOfIdeology [they/them, comrade/them]
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        1 year ago

        Read my response to dannoffs' comment... I haven't read Gramsci in English, so I can't recommend any annotated versions, but starting with those maybe selected around a single topic (Gramsci tended to go all over the place in the notebooks a bit) could help.

  • CarmineCatboy [he/him]
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    1 year ago

    all things and concepts are bourgeois if you can profit from them. case in point, wedding planners. in the people's republic of earth all weddings shall be planned by a chatgpt run by the government.

  • culpritus [any]
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    1 year ago

    When two people are under the influence of the most violent, most insane, most delusive, and most transient of passions, they are required to swear that they will remain in that excited, abnormal, and exhausting condition until death do them part. [G.B. Shaw, preface to "Getting Married," 1908]

    You must imagine Sisyphus married.

  • Dolores [love/loves]
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    1 year ago

    well, women are bourgeois, so any wedding containing them is by extension, bourgeois. theory-gary

      • RyanGosling [none/use name]
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        1 year ago

        Yes. Why do you think I got married? I need my wife’s family to back me for the blood feud with my neighbors over his McDuchy (which de jure belongs to me) that’s been ongoing for 3 generations

      • usernamesaredifficul [he/him]
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        1 year ago

        marriage is older than feudal which makes it patriarchal

        it's an institution that dates back to when people were legally owned by their dad

        although the concept of it being bad to murder your neighbour also dates back about that far so that isn't necessarily a criticism

  • iridaniotter [she/her, it/its]
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    1 year ago

    Literally yes. Contrast with feudal arranged marriage. Gay marriage is also bourgeois but to less of an extent. It's just an adaptation of bourgeois (straight) marriage for gay couples. Marriage in China is also bourgeois. Cuban marriage is less bourgeois but not truly communist. Thank you for listening to my Ted talk.

    • OgdenTO [he/him]
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      1 year ago

      What do you mean? I see the majority of the responses to this clearly joke post to actually be thoughtful responses to the question. It's great, because the post is a joke, but only half so in my interpretation, and it gets interesting answers.

      What about this is irony poisoning? Thoughtful answers?

      • alexandra_kollontai [she/her]
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        1 year ago

        Right! I really, really love a lot of the comments on this and they bring fantastic and intriguing points to think about.

        • OgdenTO [he/him]
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          1 year ago

          Hmm. I don't find it so, but also, I think I assume all the responses are sincere, regardless of how jokey they are.

  • Frank [he/him, he/him]
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    1 year ago

    I conducted a representative double blind demographic unbaised survey of some catgirls i found hanging out in Hexbear and they said yes.