Morality doesnt exist. It is not a material thing, it doesnt refer to anything that exists in the real world. Morality is in the same class as god, religion and human rights i.e human inventions, human fetishization of abstract concepts. Abstract concepts have no effect on material reality any more than we will them to. For example, religion is a thing only because people believe in it.

So I never use morals and morality as an argument in anything. The struggle for a better world doesnt need it at all. Exploitation is ended when workers pursue their self interest, no morals involved here. Veganism is achieved only when you make people empathise with animals (a bio-chemical reaction) or when you physically ban meat, not because of any morals. I can give many more examples.

In fact, it is precisely morality that is one of the tools of the oppressor. Notice how worker ownership of profit is bad because "the capitalist deserves his share". This is a moral argument, not a material argument. When the ruling class enforces laws that harms millions, it is justified because the law is just. This is another abstract moral argument. When workers fight back, or when you just shoot a billionaire or a politician, it is said to be immoral, because reasons. You can make up any bullshit reason, and any bullshit argument because you are not dealing with material things, so there is simply no way to be correct or wrong.

Marx is said to have laughed when people used to make moral arguments with him. Stirner completely destroyed morality as an idea, Nietzche revealed the psychology behind morality etc.

EDIT: Looks like this sub is thoroughly spooked. I guess I should have expected it considering you're all liberals. Don't worry, I will keep posting Stirner memes until morale improves.

  • Stalin2024 [none/use name]
    hexagon
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    4 years ago

    I guess you also believe that god exists outside our mind because religion is an emergent property of common beliefs.

    • Spinoza [any]
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      4 years ago

      yes :yes-chad:

      not because god is real but one of the consequences of the barrage of pseudo-materialism that came with the wave of new atheism is that it's much harder for people to wrestle with social phenomena (like deities) as "real", existing things - emergent properties of a network of brains that interface in an infinite number of ways. if you're still getting caught up on the word "real", just drop it and realize the conversation can continue as such. if you don't want to drop it, go read real patterns by dan dennett and then maybe ladyman and ross's rainforest realism

      morality matters because we have moral choices to make, moral questions to ask and answer, and important conversations to be had around morality. the terms exist in our language because there are things there we need to talk about. i don't understand how you expect to go through life sweeping all of that under the rug

    • Wordplay [he/him]
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      4 years ago

      it exists as an emergent property between my mind and the bottom of my bowl of dmt, maybe

      :smoking-fish: