Morality doesnt exist. It is not a material thing, it doesnt refer to anything that exists in the real world. Morality is in the same class as god, religion and human rights i.e human inventions, human fetishization of abstract concepts. Abstract concepts have no effect on material reality any more than we will them to. For example, religion is a thing only because people believe in it.

So I never use morals and morality as an argument in anything. The struggle for a better world doesnt need it at all. Exploitation is ended when workers pursue their self interest, no morals involved here. Veganism is achieved only when you make people empathise with animals (a bio-chemical reaction) or when you physically ban meat, not because of any morals. I can give many more examples.

In fact, it is precisely morality that is one of the tools of the oppressor. Notice how worker ownership of profit is bad because "the capitalist deserves his share". This is a moral argument, not a material argument. When the ruling class enforces laws that harms millions, it is justified because the law is just. This is another abstract moral argument. When workers fight back, or when you just shoot a billionaire or a politician, it is said to be immoral, because reasons. You can make up any bullshit reason, and any bullshit argument because you are not dealing with material things, so there is simply no way to be correct or wrong.

Marx is said to have laughed when people used to make moral arguments with him. Stirner completely destroyed morality as an idea, Nietzche revealed the psychology behind morality etc.

EDIT: Looks like this sub is thoroughly spooked. I guess I should have expected it considering you're all liberals. Don't worry, I will keep posting Stirner memes until morale improves.

  • Stalin2024 [none/use name]
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    4 years ago

    One- under your culturally relativistic view presented here, morality is an emergent property of the rights and wrongs of a society. You physically cannot exist without morals because they are intertwined in the action and inaction of every individual living under the present ideology. So you say you live without moral inquiry but your actions reflect an individualized subset of those morals.

    Morality is a complex thing. I make no pretenses of accurately defining it, so I have no idea where you are getting this view that I am saying morality is this or that. I am simply saying that morality doesnt exist as a material thing outside the mind. "you physically cannot exist without morals" wut??

    Two- You cannot convince me to ‘make a better world’ based upon naive self interest if my self interest does not align with your vision. You need reasons, which are tied 8n with the metaethics of the current ideology. Otherwise, it may be in my self interest to destroy your community because i am wired to feel great doing so.

    "metaethics of the current ideology" good luck convincing people to follow this instead of trying to converge self-interests. Converging self-interests are already the basis of human society. Society isnt based on arbitrary moral values or metaethics or whatever. Society is based on material things. Base>Superstructure. Marxism 101. Also people literally do destroy communities for fun or profit already. So your worst case scenario is already the reality.

    Three- The appropriation of morals under a relativistic framework doesnt mean that morality as a whole is oppressive, it is merely a reflection.

    Morality can neither be oppressive nor liberatory because it doesnt exist. Creating moral ideas that serve to oppose other moral ideas achieves nothing, just as thinking about lifting a pen will never lift a pen. Bourgeois morals are a psychological deception mechanism (superstructure) used to blind people what's going on in the base (exploitation) .