I see the term a lot, but I don't fully understand its context. Impossible to google due to libs coopting the language in unintelligible articles.
Thank you for the help.
I see the term a lot, but I don't fully understand its context. Impossible to google due to libs coopting the language in unintelligible articles.
Thank you for the help.
Matt Christman on "class reductionism"
And this is why Matt is trash. He has not informed himself on the struggles of other people outside the idea of class nor does he seem to care to do so.
The fact the place still puts him on a thrown says a lot more about everyone else than him though.
“Class reductionism isn’t an issue” Is class reductionism itself.
how much of the 10-12 minutes did you listen to, because if that's your takeway it sounds like you quit after the first ten seconds
EDIT: this sounded more snide than I wanted— I really just want to make sure you got past the first opening bit because he really expands a lot on it
10-12 minutes. That’s longer than Matt has ever spent on the struggles of marginalized people outside the scope of class.
untrue on its face even for people who just listened to the pod during the last year, much less the vlogs
No I’m not talking about the substantial amount of time Amber spends shitting on Jewish people.
neither was I and I think you knew that.
Name another time
why, you've done nothing to indicate you're coming to this in good faith whatsoever
"link me a fiteen minute clip to prove it's worth it to listen to a ten minute clip". come on, man
Okay then don’t. Idgaf.
You’re saying they talk about intersectionality. I’m saying they don’t, so I’m asking when either the vlog or podcast talks about it.
so where are we now? CTH the podcast and the vlogs are together on trial to see if they have mentioned this enough in a way that makes it worthwhile for you to listen to the original ten minute clip before shitting on Matt as "trash" for an argument you haven't even bothered to hear?
I did listen to it. I didn’t listen to the whole episode bc it started off trash and I don’t waste my time listening people trying to claw their way out of trash arguments.
so we're back to you just hearing the first thirty seconds. i'm out
Nah like first 3 minutes
you're doing so good
Just remember you’re on the side of “class reductionism is a term of abuse.”
you sure did listen to that first thirty seconds!
“Started with the Hillary people.” Totally denying decades of liberation efforts by socialists in the U.S.
Ramblings about the PMC that he disagrees with.
“Twitter is about validation. At least that’s why i went on twitter.” Making this seem like it is only an online issue. While protesting this is a very real issue on the streets for marginalized people who feel constantly second guessed and not trusted by the cis white people beside them.
“You can’t argue yourself out of these positions.” Yeah because your take is bad.
“2 arguments. People disagree on a course of action. People upset that the route may not be correct, but the destination is the same. And the only argument online. The argument to be had. People arguing about what the hypothetical best way to get somewhere. Not actually going anywhere.” Another shit argument. Me and class reductionists are not trying to get to the same place and my arguments aren’t just “online” these happen in real life about how we get people to join the fight against capitalism and how we liberate all people instead of just liberating poor cis white men.
“Online demands bad faith” oh like his whole argument that started out with denying class reductionism as a real issue.
“These people don’t do politics in there real life. What they see online demands their emotional landscape.” Projection
Paraphrasing: arguing over the quickest way to get at the hospital vs shooting the shit about comic book characters. I’m guessing in this analogy which is also shit he’s arguing the capitalism vs communism is the quickest way to the hospital and class reductionism is comic book characters. Holy fuck that’s terrible.
There’s your 12 extra shitty fucking minutes. What a waste of my fucking time.
Amber.
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We took away the downvote just for stupidpol people like yourself
chill bro jesus lol
I actually like Matt but when it comes to issues of class and race (i.e. class reductionism), I'm really not inclined to listen to anyone involved in a leftist podcast that had very little to say about the most significant protests we've had in decades this summer (where race was front and center), other than to say hey actually cops are working class, too.
I don’t know what you’re saying here. Irony?
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Weird take. Ngl
What I was saying is, when the BLM protests took place, Matt and the other Chapo hosts had very little to say. Virtually nothing. We pointed out on the old sub how odd it was pretty often. It was very disappointing. So it seems to me if someone is going to entirely check out from something like that, why should I care what that person has to say about other issues of class and race.
Yeah I totally agree. And if we don’t agree on issues of class and race. You’re about as good as a lib.
Even libs did a better job of pretending they cared.
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When you definitely know what class reductionism is or is supposed to be.
Matt is fine. Some of his takes are straight garbage but lots of people have garbage takes on some issues and not others. So what if he's just a white Brooklynite talking about the white Brooklynite experience. Theres nothing wrong with that
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Defeatist attitudes really get people interested in learning.
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uhhh what do you think superstructure is?
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sorry I see right after you say
so I jumped the gun a bit in my comment. that is what he's getting at, this mutually reinforcing feedback loop that can only be changed a little at a time because these structures attempt to recreate each other