boogs aren't fucking libs lmao, have you talked to any of them? has the class compisition of a facist movement too, like ur telling me all these dudes can just casually afford to drop 5 grand on an ar-15 build and also are somehow working class? gtfoh
They are absolutely a petite bourgeois movement. You are correct. Not every petite bourgeois movement is fascist, though.
I have talked to a few. They have all been radicalized Liberals: pro-LGBTQ, pro-civil liberties, pro-capitalist, etc. I'm hardly convinced they are all in a conspiracy to fuck with me.
There have been terror attacks attributed to Boogaloo people in the Midwest, notably the Gritchen Whitmer kidnapping & the planned murder of cops in Cuyahoga Falls. Both have been confirmed FBI set-ups, and I don't trust the FBI story around them. Seems that it they were a Cleveland Five situation.
Besides that, I have seen reports from journalists in Lansing and Columbus film them alongside progressive forces. So, there seems to be a large radlib element to it.
Is there any official Boogaloo content? Or is it just a label anyone can adopt, like Antifa?
I want to be careful when picking enemies, since I'm in an area unfriendly to communists.
i think this assessment is really correct, but it's hard to define what exactly the stakes are when there's no real US left. we're talking about it like the "boogaloo" actually is gonna come and we have to decide here and now whether we're gonna join militarily with this sort of jackass, but i think it's very easy to take the drama of their LARP too seriously and lose sight of our actual organized capacity
One of the biggest anticipations they have is race war, and what race do you think they’ll fight alongside
Do you know the best place I can read about this being an aspect to boogaloo politics? The only research I've seen into that has been Bellingcat, which is a NED funded news outlet that peddles a shit ton of disinfo. I'd be intersted to know if any Left-wing investigations into them has occurred.
And yeah, they are easily infiltrated. Anti-organization organizing is bad.
they’re pro capitalist
Yeah, most people are pro-capitalist right now. But that belief is not as deeply held as communists pretend. If someone is not spewing fascist propaganda, I'll at least hear them out.
They are absolutely a petite bourgeois movement. You are correct. Not every petite bourgeois movement is fascist, though.
but every fascist movement has been petit bourgeoisie. you got a bowl of skittles and half of them are poisoned, are you really gonna stick your hand in there and eat one?
I have talked to a few. They have all been radicalized Liberals: pro-LGBTQ, pro-civil liberties, pro-capitalist, etc. I’m hardly convinced they are all in a conspiracy to fuck with me.
you do realize thats part of the grift right? they're trying to get you to believe that they're more right wing than they actually let on by just listing random popular progressive movements.
There have been terror attacks attributed to Boogaloo people in the Midwest, notably the Gritchen Whitmer kidnapping & the planned murder of cops in Cuyahoga Falls. Both have been confirmed FBI set-ups, and I don’t trust the FBI story around them. Seems that it they were a Cleveland Five situation.
i mean yeah alphabet bad, but like kyle rittenhouse? was he an fbi op? boogs literally worship him lmfao
Besides that, I have seen reports from journalists in Lansing and Columbus film them alongside progressive forces. So, there seems to be a large radlib element to it.
nazis waved around red flags and called themselves socialists too. doesn't mean shit, once again it's all part of the grift.
I want to be careful when picking enemies, since I’m in an area unfriendly to communists.
you do realize that they're like fervently anti-communist right? like they would literally night-of-long-kinives your ass so fucking quick
but every fascist movement has been petit bourgeoisie. you got a bowl of skittles and half of them are poisoned, are you really gonna stick your hand in there and eat one?
Every communist revolution has had petite bourgeois elements, so I don't think this is a sound position.
you do realize thats part of the grift right? they’re trying to get you to believe that they’re more right wing than they actually let on by just listing random popular progressive movements.
So, are you saying there's a widespread conspiracy to mask their political views? I don't follow that. I'd bet there are fascists acting as boogaloo boys since it is just a label, not a organization, like BLM & Antifa. But the general politics I've seen from boogaloo identifying people has not been that. It's been absolutely Radlib.
i mean yeah alphabet bad, but like kyle rittenhouse? was he an fbi op? boogs literally worship him lmfao
I found a Sun Times articles which claims a man patrolling with Kyle Rittenhouse shared boogaloo memes on Facebook. I wouldn't be surprised if that's true, although the posts are no longer up. I have not seen reporting on general boogaloo response to the shooting, so I'll poke through big "boogaloo" Twitter accounts for a bit.
nazis waved around red flags and called themselves socialists too. doesn’t mean shit, once again it’s all part of the grift.
No. They got into street-fights with socialists, trade unionists, progressives, etc. They were more similar to the Proud Boys & the America First crowd.
you do realize that they’re like fervently anti-communist right? like they would literally night-of-long-kinives your ass so fucking quick
Yeah, I don't want to become a boogaloo. I want to have a measured approach to them.
Don't make allies based on your enemy, make allies based on what they want to replace the state with. If the state evaporated tomorrow and became a socialist society we would be building communities and aiding each other regardless of if you are an anarchist or a communist, and none of us would need our guns for anything. In this scenario the boogs will still be arming up to fight a second revolutionary war because fighting that war is all they really want. I also don't trust that they agree with you what the replaced state looks like, i think that its literally the group line to persuade liberals over the line towards fascism rather than towards socialism.
I generally operate from a "no permanent enemies, no permanent allies" perspective.
By the time we are near the establishment of a different state in this country, the political consciousness will look widely different than it does today.
That twitter user is a bit fucked. Unity with fucking ancaps lmao
If Liberals want to pick up guns and fight the State, that seems all fine and well in my mind.
boogs aren't fucking libs lmao, have you talked to any of them? has the class compisition of a facist movement too, like ur telling me all these dudes can just casually afford to drop 5 grand on an ar-15 build and also are somehow working class? gtfoh
They are absolutely a petite bourgeois movement. You are correct. Not every petite bourgeois movement is fascist, though.
I have talked to a few. They have all been radicalized Liberals: pro-LGBTQ, pro-civil liberties, pro-capitalist, etc. I'm hardly convinced they are all in a conspiracy to fuck with me.
There have been terror attacks attributed to Boogaloo people in the Midwest, notably the Gritchen Whitmer kidnapping & the planned murder of cops in Cuyahoga Falls. Both have been confirmed FBI set-ups, and I don't trust the FBI story around them. Seems that it they were a Cleveland Five situation.
Besides that, I have seen reports from journalists in Lansing and Columbus film them alongside progressive forces. So, there seems to be a large radlib element to it.
Is there any official Boogaloo content? Or is it just a label anyone can adopt, like Antifa?
I want to be careful when picking enemies, since I'm in an area unfriendly to communists.
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i think this assessment is really correct, but it's hard to define what exactly the stakes are when there's no real US left. we're talking about it like the "boogaloo" actually is gonna come and we have to decide here and now whether we're gonna join militarily with this sort of jackass, but i think it's very easy to take the drama of their LARP too seriously and lose sight of our actual organized capacity
Do you know the best place I can read about this being an aspect to boogaloo politics? The only research I've seen into that has been Bellingcat, which is a NED funded news outlet that peddles a shit ton of disinfo. I'd be intersted to know if any Left-wing investigations into them has occurred.
And yeah, they are easily infiltrated. Anti-organization organizing is bad.
Yeah, most people are pro-capitalist right now. But that belief is not as deeply held as communists pretend. If someone is not spewing fascist propaganda, I'll at least hear them out.
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but every fascist movement has been petit bourgeoisie. you got a bowl of skittles and half of them are poisoned, are you really gonna stick your hand in there and eat one?
you do realize thats part of the grift right? they're trying to get you to believe that they're more right wing than they actually let on by just listing random popular progressive movements.
i mean yeah alphabet bad, but like kyle rittenhouse? was he an fbi op? boogs literally worship him lmfao
nazis waved around red flags and called themselves socialists too. doesn't mean shit, once again it's all part of the grift.
you do realize that they're like fervently anti-communist right? like they would literally night-of-long-kinives your ass so fucking quick
Every communist revolution has had petite bourgeois elements, so I don't think this is a sound position.
So, are you saying there's a widespread conspiracy to mask their political views? I don't follow that. I'd bet there are fascists acting as boogaloo boys since it is just a label, not a organization, like BLM & Antifa. But the general politics I've seen from boogaloo identifying people has not been that. It's been absolutely Radlib.
I found a Sun Times articles which claims a man patrolling with Kyle Rittenhouse shared boogaloo memes on Facebook. I wouldn't be surprised if that's true, although the posts are no longer up. I have not seen reporting on general boogaloo response to the shooting, so I'll poke through big "boogaloo" Twitter accounts for a bit.
No. They got into street-fights with socialists, trade unionists, progressives, etc. They were more similar to the Proud Boys & the America First crowd.
Yeah, I don't want to become a boogaloo. I want to have a measured approach to them.
Don't make allies based on your enemy, make allies based on what they want to replace the state with. If the state evaporated tomorrow and became a socialist society we would be building communities and aiding each other regardless of if you are an anarchist or a communist, and none of us would need our guns for anything. In this scenario the boogs will still be arming up to fight a second revolutionary war because fighting that war is all they really want. I also don't trust that they agree with you what the replaced state looks like, i think that its literally the group line to persuade liberals over the line towards fascism rather than towards socialism.
I generally operate from a "no permanent enemies, no permanent allies" perspective.
By the time we are near the establishment of a different state in this country, the political consciousness will look widely different than it does today.
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