I said there's a difference between support and counter recruitment.
Didn't even criticize your post because I didn't know what you meant by it.
So I sketched out two things they could mean.
One I agree with.
One I disagree with
I also outright said fuck Jimmy Dore
You did the whole "none of these people are reachable" bit, I disagreed, you PPB'ed me.
If I'm not understanding your point, please help me to.
What does supporting the boog mean to you?
Is reaching out to people who are sympathetic to the boog aesthetic, as unabashed socialists, supporting them?
Is buying a low end rifle, wish kit, and a Hawaiian shirt a sign that someone's unreachable?
Because that's what I took from your reply.
I genuinely don't know how to interpret it any other way.
They may appear “reactionary” to self-proclaimed leftists but are very much prone for conversion. If we don’t do that, the fascists will win over their support.
Nothing in this post is opposed to this. Not a word.
What I can say from my experience is that the vast majority of the working people are apolitical and have no coherent ideology.
This has been my experience as well. There's obviously a line to not cross. Anyone putting out 6MWE DOTR and/or 1488 vibes I stay far the fuck away from.
But most people tend to be a swirling mishmash of very different, and usually contradictory, viewpoints.
You did state that if people have the money for the getup, they can't be failed by liberalism.
Maybe that's not the same, but I strongly object nonetheless
I have a few firearms.
I have some cheap yet functional and practical tactical gear.
And I even have a couple Hawaiian shirts: they were gifts.
I'd never ever put the third together with the first two, but I have literally everything needed to make a boog outfit in my home, right now
I've personally been failed by liberalism and live well below the poverty line.
I just saved, cut expenses, eating more cheaply, and used my tax returns and stimulus money on the first two things.
Many gun stores have layaway plans.
Plenty of people have televisions, computers, videogame systems, and phones, that are more expensive than a decent low end AR-15.
If that's not the "winning argument" I think it is, I really would like to know why.
I'll even pinky promise not to reply to it.
Because I still genuinely don't see how someone who can afford a boog outfit can't also be failed by liberalism.
There are certain boog spokespeople who are emerging, and they're almost certainly lost causes.
That I do agree on.
Some of them are also sporting SCARs with Trijicons and shit like that. I tend to see those kinds identifying as and representing "Boogaloo boys" publicly moreso than the budget store kit. And this post isn't about random sympathizers sitting at home, it's about the guys traveling across the country to marches who are repping the brand, so to speak.
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This isn't a bit I'm doing, this is me saying that if we stay the course we're on, we're fucked.
The post I replied to with ppb is you taking my words in incredibly bad faith and nothing more.
I said there's a difference between support and counter recruitment.
Didn't even criticize your post because I didn't know what you meant by it.
So I sketched out two things they could mean.
One I agree with.
One I disagree with
I also outright said fuck Jimmy Dore
You did the whole "none of these people are reachable" bit, I disagreed, you PPB'ed me.
If I'm not understanding your point, please help me to.
What does supporting the boog mean to you?
Is reaching out to people who are sympathetic to the boog aesthetic, as unabashed socialists, supporting them?
Is buying a low end rifle, wish kit, and a Hawaiian shirt a sign that someone's unreachable?
Because that's what I took from your reply.
I genuinely don't know how to interpret it any other way.
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Nothing in this post is opposed to this. Not a word.
This has been my experience as well. There's obviously a line to not cross. Anyone putting out 6MWE DOTR and/or 1488 vibes I stay far the fuck away from.
But most people tend to be a swirling mishmash of very different, and usually contradictory, viewpoints.
No, I didn't. Not even close.
Done wasting time with this bad faith shit.
You did state that if people have the money for the getup, they can't be failed by liberalism.
Maybe that's not the same, but I strongly object nonetheless
I have a few firearms.
I have some cheap yet functional and practical tactical gear.
And I even have a couple Hawaiian shirts: they were gifts.
I'd never ever put the third together with the first two, but I have literally everything needed to make a boog outfit in my home, right now
I've personally been failed by liberalism and live well below the poverty line.
I just saved, cut expenses, eating more cheaply, and used my tax returns and stimulus money on the first two things.
Many gun stores have layaway plans.
Plenty of people have televisions, computers, videogame systems, and phones, that are more expensive than a decent low end AR-15.
If that's not the "winning argument" I think it is, I really would like to know why.
I'll even pinky promise not to reply to it.
Because I still genuinely don't see how someone who can afford a boog outfit can't also be failed by liberalism.
There are certain boog spokespeople who are emerging, and they're almost certainly lost causes.
That I do agree on.
Some of them are also sporting SCARs with Trijicons and shit like that. I tend to see those kinds identifying as and representing "Boogaloo boys" publicly moreso than the budget store kit. And this post isn't about random sympathizers sitting at home, it's about the guys traveling across the country to marches who are repping the brand, so to speak.
Breaking my rule to state that I do agree with that. The people who are emerging as the spokespeople are most likely not reachable.
Same