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How do we re-appropriate conservative shit for our side? Even if it doesn't work, it would at least piss them off to see a "come and take it" flag being waved at a union rally.
Right, like I think there is sincere merit to "meeting them where they're at" and holding off on telling them "oh by the way, did you know EVERYTHING you were told by Fox News, the internet, and church was a lie?". I don't mean just doing tailism and coddling them, but realizing that not every
is a hedonistic CHUD. Anyone that lacks that curiosity and is just itching for the next ammo to use against minorities we can fully write off.
How do we re-appropriate conservative shit for our side?
There's a reason the term "old money" exists and not "old protections"; Old money's spent generations keeping itself safe, which is probably why the French were like
We're not yet at the stage where the rich have developed anti-
technology
I think that's actually a person holding a letter or ballot, but yeah, this imagery is sick (bad kind of sick)
dues deducted from your paycheck
i'd much rather have surplus value deducted from my paycheckIf your company is putting up anti-union propaganda, it's time to unionize.
IIRC Amazon has ludicrous turnover in their warehouses so the "do you want to gamble on better conditions?" point seems kind of ineffective. Like okay do I want to maybe get better conditions or definitely burn out in 4 months and quit?
They do. had a friend that could only handle working in an Amazon warehouse for a few months
It's bad
I know people who've tried to salt in these warehouses and, well, even here it's hard to physically find the time and energy. They actually use pathing algorithms that reduce efficiency to prevent employees from having too much contact.
A union is a new concept for most marginal workers. This means that for them to make the leap, they've got to overcome their uncertainty. If a company can cast even a little doubt, it can be tremendously effective.
The traditional way to overcome this is to have coworkers be the ones advocating for a union, not staff. This is really hard at Amazon because of the high turnover. If you look at JFK8, Smalls was a manager, i.e., one of the only people not turning over every 3 months.
high turnover rate is actually good for the capitalists. It means a large reserve army of labor. it means a fresh supply of scabs. it means people will quit ''before'' they even ''try'' to unionize because they've been taught that's what you do when a job sucks, you quit and get a new one that also sucks, and so on to infinity. Quitting will ''always'' be easier than unionizing, and people only unionize when they think "this is my job, I'm going to be here for a long time." Unions were strongest when people worked in the same company their whole lives. The more mobile and nomadic the work force, the easier capital is able to dissuade unionization efforts.
No guarantees on pay, benefits, or work rules
isnt this literally the thing unions are meant to solve? What kind of reverse psychology is this?
"We have no intention of ever negotiating. Don't even bother trying to unionize."
Pretty sure this is illegal. That said, laws don't mean anything to a trillion dollar company.
Even if they are fined 10 million dollars (about 10 million more than they’ll ever be fined) (what they make in about a minute) it will absolutely pale in comparison to their savings from union-busting.
The last contract between IBT and UPS transferred $30,000,000,000 (that's 10 zeroes, thirty billion in the US) to the workers.
If you want labor law to be meaningful, that's what the fines have got to amount to.
Hey, they are just trying to make a living. Blame the corporations, not the workers. Unless i misunderstood you meaning.
I have to imagine they mean, like, whichever marketing fuck accepted the assignment to make these posters (and the people who decided the content, of course). I don't think they mean warehouse workers or drivers, but they also should have been more specific.
So the very people being prevented from unionizing are a waste of oxygen, according to you?
No calls to violence, especially.
It's toxic and the comment was directed to the unorganized.
I hope this backfires. They're one of the richest companies in the world and the most notorious for treating their workers like shit. Anything they claim is bad for their workers will almost certainly be good for them. I hope people see through this.
The "no guarantees" part is also very telling. It's like they're admitting that they'll do whatever they can to avoid improving pay and conditions even if the workers start a union.
Boomers? Probably, but I doubt anyone under the age of 45 is going to be as blindly trusting of corporate as a boomer.
There are a lot of rural Gen Z that believe in hustle culture and 'working hard is moral in of itself'. They fall for this shit all the time, before injuring themselves.
hustle culture
Rural Gen Z be priming us for the Cyberpunk future where corporations teach us about how cool Povertypunk is; who wants to be
richmiddle-classcan afford olive garden this monthinherited a home that's been in your family since great grandmahave a guarantee on 50$ in your wallet when you can get your hustle on!Get ready to replace those paltry flesh limbs with company approved robotic arms (subject to return policy when you exit the premises)!
How are people dumb enough to realize "of course the corporation would tell you not to unionize against them"?
"No guarantee on pay" is a threat. Workers know who benefits from a union and who loses, Amazon is just threatening to cut pay and benefits if they organize.
As opposed to without a union, where you're guaranteed to have terrible pay, benefits, and working conditions. But at least you can also talk to your boss!
I know what the anti-union line is, and I know how it's supposed to be effective, but does anyone see this shit and think "oh, yeah, I definitely trust my manager to give a shit about even one request I have." Like I don't think I've ever had a job where I didn't fantasize occasionally about my immediate superior getting hit by a car.
's mercy with no guarantees?
