I genuinely went to read this in good faith since it's The Intercept (I know it's not great, but it's not CNN) but decided to do a quick text search for Zenz just to make sure. And of course, the whole fucking thing is full of Zenz.
This is just ridiculous at this point. I really don't want to be a genocide-denier if there is actually one happening, but for fuck's sake this is just ridiculous, LET ME SEE ONE REPORT ON THIS WITHOUT ZENZ ALL OVER IT.
Sorry, but that's a disgusting take. Putting people into "re-education camps" against their will to try and make them forgo their religion is completely unacceptable and goes against basic human rights.
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I've seen at least 3 testimonies that said they were preventing some of them from praying (in the camps in question I mean), for example. I've seen no obvious reason to say they're lying / CIA plants or something.
Also, what the fuck is that picture ? who are these people (not trolling, genuinely asking; because if they're indeed uyghurs that's totally unacceptable) ?
That's a good point, I'll admit. Though "far more" is not true I think; just did a quick calculation and both my own country (France) and Germany have slightly more mosques per capita than China - though the difference with China is not really statistically significant.
Testimonies are not evidence, especially not when it is backed by the west who has a massive history of atrocity propaganda. There are active secessionist movements in the area and a lot of the time people will repeat what they have already heard from others as fact.
Those are likely prisoners in that photo. It’s common practice in prisons all around the world to blindfold prisoners during transportation
That was my assumption too when it was first published, yeah.
Not really ? not in my country, not in the EU in general at least. Again, shaving the heads of prisoners, putting them like this on the ground, and blindfolding them is absolutely not OK (though we're talking about a country that also still has the death penalty, mind you, another human rights violation).
Critical support for China of course, but I refuse to close my eyes to their numerous human rights violation.
Oh I thought many countries did that. I know my country does. I agree with everything else you wrote, China has a lot of backward legal practices, like banning drugs also
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If you think shaving the heads of prisoners, putting them like this on the ground, and blindfolding them is OK then I'm not sure what to tell you. As for them being "regular" prisoners, that's what I suspected too when the photo first came up, thanks.
Not really ? though I'll admit trying to get to the bottom of what's happening with the Uyghurs in China is hell - so much disinformation, so much of it connected to that shithead Zenz. To my eyes something really bad (though clearly not genocide, but cultural erasure ? maybe) is happening, but I can't be sure and I'd really like to be able to actually find out more with certainty.
Testimonies are the go to method of spreading atrocity propaganda specifically because "I don't see a reason to think they are lying or CIA plants", its something used against every enemy of the west constantly 24/7 to create this miasma of "This country is evil and must be opposed".
did you also believe Saddam was killing babies in incubators?
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Right, sorry if I overreacted a bit. Moreover, if you have actual reliable sources about the Uyghurs thing in general I'll take them.
Super hot take - Zenz is a Chinese agent meant to disrupt the discussion on the detention program.
Nah, he checks all the boxes for an US disinformation campaign.
Well, I wasn't being serious
I though you may not be at first (because it's so ridiculous) but I wasn't 100% sure, sorry. Preferred to assume you were serious in case I made an hurtful comment directly assuming it was a bit.