Ive worked on several campaigns here in NYC too and i dont think a single one would have worked as a 3rd party. Do you think any of the ones you worked on would have? I get the desire behind a separate party, i mean the rest of the world does that, but id say the US is in an unfortunately unique position here where that doesnt seem to be a real possibility based on the nature of how our electoral systems work. I think the most important thing right now is building strong structures within DSA to have us organize more effectively state wide and nationally, not move towards creating a new electoral party. I think something like that only comes about through an actual pre established mass break from a current party, which under the current auspices of our electoral systems i dont personally think can realistically happen, and frankly it seems to me like an event centered entirely around the spontaneity of some event that would actually trigger that.
y'all could do fusion ballots up in NYC. the point is that it's a gradual process, not running to a third party right away. winning elections is no good if the party whose ballot we ran on will crush any attempt at being socialist once in office
I dont think fusion ballots actually do anything other than like, promote that party on the ballot basically. It doesnt give it any sort of power or anything, the candidate is still a democrat. WFP does that and it doesnt mean anything, frankly dsa has more influence than them. But also political parties in the us dont exactly work the same as in other places. What exactly is the democratic party doing to "crush any attempt at being socialist" that wouldnt happen to a politician thats in another party? I dont see what would play out differently. I dont think that elected socialists are bound by some chain by the party. Either way the usefulness of electeds is to primarily push class struggle politics while running and when in office, not to actually bring about socialism through the state.
Ive worked on several campaigns here in NYC too and i dont think a single one would have worked as a 3rd party. Do you think any of the ones you worked on would have? I get the desire behind a separate party, i mean the rest of the world does that, but id say the US is in an unfortunately unique position here where that doesnt seem to be a real possibility based on the nature of how our electoral systems work. I think the most important thing right now is building strong structures within DSA to have us organize more effectively state wide and nationally, not move towards creating a new electoral party. I think something like that only comes about through an actual pre established mass break from a current party, which under the current auspices of our electoral systems i dont personally think can realistically happen, and frankly it seems to me like an event centered entirely around the spontaneity of some event that would actually trigger that.
y'all could do fusion ballots up in NYC. the point is that it's a gradual process, not running to a third party right away. winning elections is no good if the party whose ballot we ran on will crush any attempt at being socialist once in office
I dont think fusion ballots actually do anything other than like, promote that party on the ballot basically. It doesnt give it any sort of power or anything, the candidate is still a democrat. WFP does that and it doesnt mean anything, frankly dsa has more influence than them. But also political parties in the us dont exactly work the same as in other places. What exactly is the democratic party doing to "crush any attempt at being socialist" that wouldnt happen to a politician thats in another party? I dont see what would play out differently. I dont think that elected socialists are bound by some chain by the party. Either way the usefulness of electeds is to primarily push class struggle politics while running and when in office, not to actually bring about socialism through the state.