That’s not what I’m trying to say. I mean, of course listen to women, especially in regards in things that concern them, their struggles, and oppression. I just feel it was misplaced for what other comrades were trying to say. Like, don’t waste this argument on me or on a thread about Red Scare.
No one was even trying to be misogynistic or hateful towards women is the thing. They were describing something they don’t like about a podcast that happens to have two women. That doesn’t mean you need to go around replying on several comrades comments that they are being misogynists and to stop being sexist. You came at them with more direct hostility than they had indirectly.
And I’ve completely separated the fact that you are a woman with the toxicity, unreasonableness, and target painting.
Intent is everything. No one was out right intentionally being sexist, and the comments I saw seemed to be scolding them for being those things. I understand how it can be sexist, but nothing here appeared to be anyone being like that (at the time this started). It looked like someone went “I don’t like vocal fry” and you said “you guys need to stop being sexist/Misogynist.”
I just meant that I don’t think being a woman is why those things came up. Like you are being those as a person, not specifically as a woman.
I completely understand why and how it is sexist. It is an audio stimulation that mainly occurs in young women. Since it is associated with young women certain social and cultural norms arise from not only hearing it, but thinking about it as well. Due to these social and cultural norms, people will start to negatively associate vocal fry with women because it could be any number of negative effects that could bother someone. Then it just gets molded into outright misogyny if let unchecked.
Ok, have your opinion here, but also acknowledge that you made someone here feel shite. All you've done is say 'but technically I wasn't wrong' when really you should take some of what they're saying onboard, say 'hm, I didn't know that about vocal fry - I'll take a closer look some time' and then apologise for making someone feel marginalised, whether it was an innocent mistake or not.
I got language policed for disability related slurs that I didn't realise were slurs not so long ago. Totally innocent mistake. I was ill informed. Didn't mean to cause offence. Yet still, I was wrong, and I made someone feel bad.
I’ve admitted stuff I don’t know and openly try to learn as much as I can since I don’t know the struggles other comrades go through since I’m literally a straight white dude.
This has once against turned into a struggle session for no reason because someone fees targeted by comments made about Red Scare.
That’s not what I’m trying to say. I mean, of course listen to women, especially in regards in things that concern them, their struggles, and oppression. I just feel it was misplaced for what other comrades were trying to say. Like, don’t waste this argument on me or on a thread about Red Scare.
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No one was even trying to be misogynistic or hateful towards women is the thing. They were describing something they don’t like about a podcast that happens to have two women. That doesn’t mean you need to go around replying on several comrades comments that they are being misogynists and to stop being sexist. You came at them with more direct hostility than they had indirectly.
And I’ve completely separated the fact that you are a woman with the toxicity, unreasonableness, and target painting.
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Intent is everything. No one was out right intentionally being sexist, and the comments I saw seemed to be scolding them for being those things. I understand how it can be sexist, but nothing here appeared to be anyone being like that (at the time this started). It looked like someone went “I don’t like vocal fry” and you said “you guys need to stop being sexist/Misogynist.”
I just meant that I don’t think being a woman is why those things came up. Like you are being those as a person, not specifically as a woman.
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I’m over all of this. Just take your victory, remove my comments, and ban me so I can fuck off.
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I completely understand why and how it is sexist. It is an audio stimulation that mainly occurs in young women. Since it is associated with young women certain social and cultural norms arise from not only hearing it, but thinking about it as well. Due to these social and cultural norms, people will start to negatively associate vocal fry with women because it could be any number of negative effects that could bother someone. Then it just gets molded into outright misogyny if let unchecked.
Ok, have your opinion here, but also acknowledge that you made someone here feel shite. All you've done is say 'but technically I wasn't wrong' when really you should take some of what they're saying onboard, say 'hm, I didn't know that about vocal fry - I'll take a closer look some time' and then apologise for making someone feel marginalised, whether it was an innocent mistake or not.
I got language policed for disability related slurs that I didn't realise were slurs not so long ago. Totally innocent mistake. I was ill informed. Didn't mean to cause offence. Yet still, I was wrong, and I made someone feel bad.
I’ve admitted stuff I don’t know and openly try to learn as much as I can since I don’t know the struggles other comrades go through since I’m literally a straight white dude.
This has once against turned into a struggle session for no reason because someone fees targeted by comments made about Red Scare.
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You’re right again. Congratulations.