I've started seeing various stories of people in the media speaking out in support of Palestine and being swiftly fired. I'm very curious if the current state of propaganda is going to increase the chance of people working in non-public facing jobs of also being fired and branded anti-Semitic. I'm scared of this coming up in the workplace because I don't think I'd be able to keep my mouth shut and I could absolutely see certain people starting shit.

  • centof@lemm.ee
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    1 year ago

    I would just limit myself to stick with fact.

    From 2000-2022, The death toll for the conflict was ~10.5k Palestinians vs ~1k Isrealis. https://israelpalestinetimeline.org/charts/

    Considering this fact, it is not surprising some Palestinians are willing to go to extreme measures to get revenge.

    • GeorgeZBush [he/him]
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      1 year ago

      Thing is this won't work on most people. They'll see those numbers and be like "well they're terrorists, and also Hamas uses human shields." They will always find a way to justify Israel.

      • CthulhusIntern [he/him]
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        1 year ago

        "Damn, Hamas must be pretty dumb then, continuing to use that tactic, even after the IDF has repeatedly demonstrated willingness to shoot through them without hesitation."

          • 420blazeit69 [he/him]
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            1 year ago

            During the cold war, the anticommunist ideological framework could transform any data about existing communist societies into hostile evidence. If the Soviets refused to negotiate a point, they were intransigent and belligerent; if they appeared willing to make concessions, this was but a skillful ploy to put us off our guard. By opposing arms limitations, they would have demonstrated their aggressive intent; but when in fact they supported most armament treaties, it was because they were mendacious and manipulative. If the churches in the USSR were empty, this demonstrated that religion was suppressed; but if the churches were full, this meant the people were rejecting the regime's atheistic ideology. If the workers went on strike (as happened on infrequent occasions), this was evidence of their alienation from the collectivist system; if they didn't go on strike, this was because they were intimidated and lacked freedom. A scarcity of consumer goods demonstrated the failure of the economic system; an improvement in consumer supplies meant only that the leaders were attempting to placate a restive population and so maintain a firmer hold over them. If communists in the United States played an important role struggling for the rights of workers, the poor, African-Americans, women, and others, this was only their guileful way of gathering support among disfranchised groups and gaining power for themselves. How one gained power by fighting for the rights of powerless groups was never explained. What we are dealing with is a nonfalsifiable orthodoxy, so assiduously marketed by the ruling interests that it affected people across the entire political spectrum.

            The "nonfalsifiable orthodoxy" bit in particular. Point out to them that they (and the media they read) are "transform[ing] any data about existing communist societies into hostile evidence."

      • centof@lemm.ee
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        1 year ago

        Maybe not, people can only see the truth of the matter if they want to. If their worldview requires it to be a conflict of good vs evil, than they probably will ignore it to perserve their worldview.

        well they’re terrorists, and also Hamas uses human shields.

        My reply would be that they are also people who see themselves as in a shitty situation.

        They will always find a way to justify Israel.

        That is very likely true, but you don't know until you actually bring up the issue with them.

    • GarbageShoot [he/him]
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      1 year ago

      Considering this fact, it is not surprising some Palestinians are willing to go to extreme measures to get revenge.

      Or perhaps that they are exceedingly desperate to gain ground