why do so many non-religious people seem to completely reject the mere possibility of an after-life, or even just a soul, or some kind of spiritual energy connecting lifeforms?

  • baguettePants [he/him]
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    Agnosticism is not a middle ground. It's something entirely different. It's a view that existence of god is unknowable. So, you can be either atheist or theist. There's no middle ground. You either believe in god(s) or not.

    Some people say they are "agnostic", because they are "open to a possibility that a god exist", but that means they don't believe in one. IMHO, people often use the term "agnostic" because there is a very real discrimination across entire world against the atheists. It's sort of a copout atheists use to get by easier.

    • WhatDoYouMeanPodcast [comrade/them]
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      4 years ago

      I think accepting yourself as an ant trying to understand a cellphone is an agnostic position as opposed to an athiest one as well. Is that a fair statement?

      • SerLava [he/him]
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        4 years ago

        Gnostic theists are people who say they know God is real. They had a shroom trip probably.

        Agnostic theists believe in God, but acknowledge that they haven't really seen or spoken to or heard him.

        Agnostic atheists don't believe in God, and acknowledge that they haven't like, died, so, whatever.

        Gnostic atheists basically don't exist, other than some Redditor who heard they didn't exist, and hyped himself up into calling himself that.

        • Invidiarum [none/use name]
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          4 years ago

          Gnostic atheists basically don’t exist, other than some Redditor who heard they didn’t exist, and hyped himself up into calling himself that.

          Or half the commentors in this thread

          • SerLava [he/him]
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            4 years ago

            nah, even if they get edgy about it and insult people, they are still probably agnostic atheists. I think Q hogs are dipshits, and unlike with normal religious and spiritual people, whom I respect, I actually will be edgy and insult them. But I have not actually visited the white house and I don't personally know the Q guy.

            However, I would never say "I am agnostic about the Q conspiracy" because even if it is definitionally true, in practice it makes it sound like "they make some good points, let's call pizzagate a maybe."

            And that's exactly how people use "agnostic" colloquially in terms of religion. It's either "eh maybe, I'm questioning now" or "I'm an atheist but I'm not edgy about it" or "I'm an atheist, but please fuck off and leave me alone, I don't want to hear your fucking shit."