Seriously why everyone want to be rome so bad? Like its okay to just be the leader of your own big murderous empire without having to rip off Caesar again

  • 7DeadlyFetishes [he/him,comrade/them]
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    4 years ago

    Wait, the Tsar really did try to claim to be the third reich Roman Empire? That's beyond funny, I hope his death was painful.

    -7DeadlyFetishes

    • Ho_Chi_Chungus [she/her]
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      4 years ago

      Not specifically Nicholas II calling himself the third Roman emperor. Russia had been calling themselves Rome 3 for centuries at that point

        • CrimsonSage [any]
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          4 years ago

          It was their basis for their claim on the city of Constantinople and why they went to war with the Turks like every 2 years in the second half of the 19th century.

          • Audeamus [any]
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            4 years ago

            Sorry, but this is bad history.

            Russia never called itself the Third Rome. The city of Moscow was called the Third Rome and by a few church figures sucking up to the Tsar in the 15th/16th centuries after the Ottomans took Constantinople, but despite this Russia acknowledged the Patriarch of Constantinople (then a vassal of the Ottoman Sultan) as the leader above the Patriarch of Moscow, though its church acquired autocephaly (autonomy).

            Then some scholars in the 19th century revived the idea while Russia was already expanding at the expense of the Ottomans and trying to claim the right to defend the interests of the Orthodox Christians of the Ottoman Empire, but it remained an idea in literature, not a literal title or diplomatic claim.

            So, as with much in history - it's the reverse of how it looks on the surface: the ideological follows the material. Russia wasn't trying to take Constantinople because of some medieval claim, but rather it had been gobbling up Ottoman possessions for centuries, the strategically located Constantinople being a chief prize, and then sought to legitimize this process with some scholarly discourse after the fact.

    • Chapo_is_Red [he/him]
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      4 years ago

      From what I understand, it was based on some intermarriage between their aristocracy, the Russians adopting the Roman (byzantine) religion and becoming the center of the Church after the fall of Constantinople.

    • Lenin [he/him]
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      4 years ago

      It was, we made sure of that.

      :lenin-shining:

    • the_bavarian [comrade/them]
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      4 years ago

      Wait, the Tsar really did try to claim to be the third reich Roman Empire? That’s beyond funny, I hope his death was painful.

      Your American education is showing comrade...it's okay to be embarassed though.

      There's a reason Moscovites still like to call their city "the Third Rome". (And y'all American are living in the next Rome...I mean the next fall of Rome, ha-haa!)

      • 7DeadlyFetishes [he/him,comrade/them]
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        4 years ago

        Your American education is showing comrade…it’s okay to be embarassed though.

        Aight dude I get it you've read books and watch a couple of animated history youtube videos but you don't have to be an passive aggressive history buff about it

        -7DeadlyFetishes