making fun of a terf for an aspect of their physical appearance can cause a comrade distress because they also have that aspect of their physical appearance.
telling them to die in a fire for being a terf doesnt hurt your comrades, because your comrades arnt terfs.
and if your comrades are terfs, your comrades can go die in a fucking fire.
You're not punching Nazis when you post. You're impotently writing on a wall that only like minded people will likely see. So have some compassion for them at least
if the original point being made had been "please put a content warning on this for people that might be triggered by suicidal ideation while sharing this content with comrades" i would not disagree with that point at all.
that is not what was being said.
what was being said was "you cant just tell terfs to go die!" to which i say, fucking watch me.
There's a difference between saying that and telling them to "have fun" doing it. They aren't trying to harm non-TERFs and implying otherwise is kinda cruel.
Obviously they aren't really listening to what you're saying, but that's just the nature of arguing on the internet sometimes.
im not the one sharing this shit or posting it in barely related threads without content warning while concern trolling about people being triggered ergo we cant say mean things to terfs
every effort should be made to make people feel comfortable browsing the site, which means content warnings, i agree.
but unless yall are gonna ban content outright to the point where people literally cannot discuss these subjects at all, terfs suicide abuse etc, there will always be people that are accidentally triggered by things that are on the site. because reality isnt perfect, and shit will always happen.
so, i mean, either this space is designed for frank discussion of those topics with likeminded people whom are sympathetic ears, with every effort made to make content warnings as robust and viable as possible, or those topics are banned from discussion entirely because content warnings are insufficient to prevent anyone being triggered ever.
im not pretending you have concern for the emotions of terfs, im saying that the original point veing made re: "dont say mean things to terfs!" seemed that way.
i would also appreciate not being told im a bad ally to myself for wanting to be able to talk about violent impulses towards terfs, thanks
Yeah well apparently you're gonna either need to modulate that so that it takes on a less violent bent (probably the ideal) or move it to more private channels cause content notes don't cut the mustard.
the issue is that the line between making fun of someone for their hypocrisy about how having a strong jawline is yadayada whatever when they havent got one themselves, and just making fun of them for their jawline... is reeaaal thin
except thats not the point youre arguing.
making fun of a terf for an aspect of their physical appearance can cause a comrade distress because they also have that aspect of their physical appearance.
telling them to die in a fire for being a terf doesnt hurt your comrades, because your comrades arnt terfs.
and if your comrades are terfs, your comrades can go die in a fucking fire.
"Kill yourself" sounds like suicide baiting to me.
are you a terf? :gui-trans: then get in
The problematic things are not problematic when directed at the right people?
punching people in the face is bad.
punching nazis in the face is good.
shut the fuck up
You're not punching Nazis when you post. You're impotently writing on a wall that only like minded people will likely see. So have some compassion for them at least
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Not what I'm saying. You can be intentionally obtuse somewhere else.
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yes and thats what content warnings are for, so that people suffering from suicidal ideation can avoid such topics.
that is not a reason to suddenly demand everyone stop wanting terfs and nazis to die and directly telling them to do so
i have not in anyway been reckless about this, and i resent being told that i am
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if the original point being made had been "please put a content warning on this for people that might be triggered by suicidal ideation while sharing this content with comrades" i would not disagree with that point at all.
that is not what was being said.
what was being said was "you cant just tell terfs to go die!" to which i say, fucking watch me.
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That's a pretty shitty thing to tell someone even in this context
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There's a difference between saying that and telling them to "have fun" doing it. They aren't trying to harm non-TERFs and implying otherwise is kinda cruel.
Obviously they aren't really listening to what you're saying, but that's just the nature of arguing on the internet sometimes.
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you absolutely are deliberately misrepresenting what i was doing, and claiming i was doing a thing i was not doing, but whatever.
i guess im just a bad ally to me for wanting a space where we dont have to apologize for the terror and shit.
again, fuck you very much
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"if the comment was to, 'please content warning,' i would agree. but the comment is that you cannot be violent against terfs, which i dont agree with"
"lolol u r bad ally to trans people because you want to do a violence which could trigger trans people!"
do you see how maybe me being hostile is a reasonable reaction?
oh fuck right the fuck off.
im not the one sharing this shit or posting it in barely related threads without content warning while concern trolling about people being triggered ergo we cant say mean things to terfs
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yes i am aware of that, and content warnings exist for a reason.
if those were able to be used properly, we wouldnt have a bystander being affected by this, because they could avoid the content.
content which was linked above without warning, to a post with no warning on it.
i havent disregarded anyones feelings here other than people who express an overt concern for the feelings of terfs
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every effort should be made to make people feel comfortable browsing the site, which means content warnings, i agree.
but unless yall are gonna ban content outright to the point where people literally cannot discuss these subjects at all, terfs suicide abuse etc, there will always be people that are accidentally triggered by things that are on the site. because reality isnt perfect, and shit will always happen.
so, i mean, either this space is designed for frank discussion of those topics with likeminded people whom are sympathetic ears, with every effort made to make content warnings as robust and viable as possible, or those topics are banned from discussion entirely because content warnings are insufficient to prevent anyone being triggered ever.
im not pretending you have concern for the emotions of terfs, im saying that the original point veing made re: "dont say mean things to terfs!" seemed that way.
i would also appreciate not being told im a bad ally to myself for wanting to be able to talk about violent impulses towards terfs, thanks
Man I love what online has done to peoples perceptions of political activity.
🙄🙄🙄 yes obviously my activism begins and ends at hating terfs online, i have never done anything else ever at all nope def not 🙄🙄🙄
It's really more the fact that you're slotting that into the activism category at all.
My activism begins and ends at making empty posts entitled "Garthfield" on the genzdong subreddit.
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Well it's apparently incredibly important that you get to do it otherwise what is all of is?
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I've said it once I'll say it again, posting was a mistake. Pretending that posting of any kind is important is an even bigger mistake.
having a space to vent about shit occassionally, where i wont get shot, is important to me, idk
Yeah well apparently you're gonna either need to modulate that so that it takes on a less violent bent (probably the ideal) or move it to more private channels cause content notes don't cut the mustard.
when @Beatnik comes down from on high and tells me i need to modulate because "nazis get the wall" is too violent, ill consider it.
probably just take the :ban-hammer: instead tho
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im not missing that point.
content warnings exist for a reason, and it sure would be nice if we could use them, but whatever idgaf at this point.
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Nah, you can mock people without mocking physical traits that the comrades reading your insults may also have
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the issue is that the line between making fun of someone for their hypocrisy about how having a strong jawline is yadayada whatever when they havent got one themselves, and just making fun of them for their jawline... is reeaaal thin