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I hate to be a lib but
Pointing this stuff out is absolutely not a lib thing to do. I almost started this struggle session myself but I didn’t have the strength, so kudos to you for doing it
dont worry, i will refrain from using that language in the future. instead, i will reference my great desire to see rape apologists brutally dismembered by a bear in front of me in order to protect my comrades 👍
how about you just ban people making rape jokes? all problems solved with one small rule change
who the fuck is scraeming "Stop telling your political opponents to kill themselves" at my house. show yourself, coward. i will never stop telling my political opponents to kill themselves
If you need a CW to avoid posts about it fine, but don't you tell me not fucking cyberbully terfs. Thats some dumb lib shit, and everytime I hear these doodoo ass takes I jsut think about how much I miss the old chapo sub
ABSOLUTELY cyberbully terfs. just be more targeted and specific. do some digging. brush up on your open source intelligence. talk to people who knew them in high school air their dirty laundry and be an absolutely vicious fuck. learn what you can say that will actually make them kill themselves. pretend to be a friend, get close, and then confirm their worst anxieties. be absolutely ruthless; go you! IDK if it's praxis, but I'm all for it!
just, you know; tone down on the splash damage if you're not actually hurting them. if you're just shouting "KILL YOURSELF!" it's not about them. nobody hears a declared enemy's request that they commit suicide and then does it. you're literally only hurting your comrades and your sisters.
maybe MAYBE after a long post dissecting how and why each of their relationships since the age of thirteen has failed, and why they will die alone and unloved citing sources and quotes from their exes, indiscrete therapists, former friends, etc; THEN you can tell/ask them, privately, maybe it's "just not worth it anymore" and "is living really worth the pain?" and actually make the world a better place.
but throwing that shit around in public? don't be a piece of shit.
cyberbully terfs by *checks extensive notes* uncritically posting shit that emotionally harms comrades on this site instead of just posting it to them on twitter where they'll actually have a chance to see it?😎 uhhh, based department???
Go check what the subreddits thoughts on this are. Reddit.com/r/Chapotraphouse
Damn, if only there was some kind of community hosted solution so we can post these things without breaking reddit's TOS. Too bad huh
You’ve been crying for the last day about not being able to tell terfs to kill themselves because it’s triggering for comrades on this site. Rebro woulda banned your ass yesterday. Be thankful you still have this account.
the only thing I'm thankful for is linux and communism, suck my big phat girld ick
I mean you can cyberbully people if you want but I'm not going to pretend it's good or useful.
nobody's saying we don't think they should be killed (if we are, can we have them shot for being TERF sympathizers? can the volcel get on this? I'm pretty sure most TERFs touch themselves to pics of trans women). just that they're statistically unlikely to commit suicide, and you're more likely to be doing splash damage than harming the actual subhuman filth (@ any terfs who might be reading this: yes totally. literal nazis you're such an oppressed minority poor you, the scary internet leftists will do the gas chambers, because lenin is basically the same as trump) that is the object of your rage. it absolutely jutsifies everything you were planning and makes it all okay you can now murder us with impunity because we said a mean thing) that your anger is actually for.
Time for maoposting: read this then go read combat liberalism
How we grow (as a community and as individuals)
Do not let reaction and liberalism pass by uncontested when you see it in your fellow posters, call it out, but do so with empathy and the understanding that we're all at a different point in our journey, learning about all sorts of different things they haven't encountered before or might never had to think about before. And in that situation, especially for the majority white American cis male userbase, those hot takes about new or unfamiliar topics are likely to be reactionary because of how we're raised living in the imperial core.
That does mean, if you're someone who feels that you fall into the group I just described, its on you to be aware that your unvetted thoughts and takes have a decent chance to be reactionary, and to have the courtesy to stop and think for a moment to run the thought through your beliefs and see if it matches up. Analysis isn't just for political events and material conditions, its for our own actions. Your body is your temple? Sure, but I am my Party, and it's my duty to hold it accountable.
But that's why we're all here. We're here to help each other grow, to hold each other to our shared ideals and not to strike each other down for not being good enough, or as conscious or developed or capable as we'd hope. That is not what leftism is about, and letting our tempers get the best of us caused a lot of damage
Seeing liberalism or reaction and not intervening is liberalism
You might be thinking, but wait! I don't feel like I know enough to really know if this or that is liberalism or reactionary, and that's fine! asking questions and holding each other accountable for the way we treat each other on this site is up to us as much as the admins, and only through asking questions and expanding your horizons can you become more confident in your knowledge.
We grow as people by helping one another, no one is good or right about everything, but together we can all improve and cover each others blind spots. But calling out liberalism and reaction is only half of the battle, the rest is on the person who made the misstep. We've all done and said shitty ignorant things before, its not a contest of never ever making a mistake, and I cannot fault someone for expressing a thought with a thought process they didn't know was tainted by reactionary imperialism, as long as when confronted with that information they take a step back and a moment to reflect.
Self criticism is incredibly important, without it you're doomed to resist powerful and productive change, and to repeat past mistakes.
And yeah, we're the dirtbag left, and yeah bullying works, but the thing is they work to shut people up and drive them away, and that is not what we aim to do for our comrades, even those who are struggling in some ways (short of outright bigotry, hatred, or otherwise over the line chud stuff obviously)
If you don't wanna listen to me, listen to Mao :chairman:
"The people, too, have their shortcomings. Among the proletariat many retain petty-bourgeois ideas, while both the peasants and the urban petty bourgeoisie have backward ideas; these are burdens hampering them in their struggle. We should be patient and spend a long time in educating them and helping them to get these loads off their backs and combat their own shortcomings and errors, so that they can advance with great strides. They have remoulded themselves in struggle or are doing so, and our literature and art should depict this process. As long as they do not persist in their errors, we should not dwell on their negative side and consequently make the mistake of ridiculing them or, worse still, of being hostile to them. Our writings should help them to unite, to make progress, to press ahead with one heart and one mind, to discard what is backward and develop what is revolutionary, and should certainly not do the opposite." -Mao, Talks at the Yenan Forum
(I tried to bold some parts but it ended up basically being the whole ass quote, so just read it libs
tldr: mao says do self crit and help your comrades do the same patiently and empathetically
Hey while we're here please stop using the word lame
I know it's habit at this point for many of us, it totally was for me and took a while to break, but you can do it
I was asked not to use it by someone who found it harmful, and like you said that's all the reason I need really, it's just a word, I can be creative and use different ones.
Plus, there's the angle that we live in a culture drenched in ableism, and this is an easy place to see it and just as good a place as any to start pushing back against
Yeah no people can always find problematic roots to whatever kind of derogatory word you try and think of. Fuck is "problematic".
slippery slope arguments? On chapo.chat? More likely than you'd think
Dude it's not a slippery slope argument, you are already disqualifying most of these words, and fuck is, like, at least as or more problematic than dumb and lame.
CW sexual violence
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"Fuck this" or "fuck you" implies sexual violence and it is rooted in the perception that the one "doing" the fucking is dominant and degrades the person being fucked.
Yes, that's not how people understand it now usually, but that's why "fuck you" is used as a swear word. It's not at all easy to find swear words that are not in some sense problematic.
I struggle with this myself because I'm physical handicapped but don't mind the terms crippled or lame, even when I use those words to describe myself. Am I holding water for people being ableist? I'm not sure, still mulling it over.
Yep, there's a whole host of sexist/homophobic language that's been partially reclaimed, somewhat, according to some, in some circles. As long as people are being considerate and will happily drop those terms if asked or someone seems uncomfortable, I feel like minimizing harm to comrades can be observed without ceding that language completely to the chuds.
I was going to call someone a "bitch" in a post a while back (not referring to anyone here, in response to a tweet in the dunk tank) but I managed to stop myself and I changed it to "wretch" which sounds similar but has no sexist overtones. Chuds are awful, and we can insult them for being awful without using the words they use.
Also I made fun of a dude for being bald despite having multiple bald friends (shit happens in your thirties) and another poster here called me out on it, which I appreciated. Won't be making that kind of joke again.
No, the message is "non-fascists with self-harm triggers are harmed by this language more than fascists are. You're hurting allies and not harming fash"
Punch nazis, don't make triggering public posts they won't see and allies will
https://i.imgur.com/nNAZfcs.jpg
I don't think anyone can set a perfect list of rules on how to approach this, but I can't see the harm in thinking about who is going to see any problematic language and what effect it might have as a first step when trolling chuds.
Once again I weigh in on an issue no one asked me but I say yes insult without alienating your comrades. During the Sal terf saga my addition to any wander terfs was telling them to please eat shit, kept the please for civility and thought with the shit they spew constantly they wouldn't mind the taste so much.
To anyone reading I say try not use anything ironically like sexism or racism. Your joke will fail and or fall flat. If you want to be funny maybe word play or leftist inside jokes. Punch up not down and be mindful of others.
I guess also if another user calls you out just breath and calm down. Try not to escalate or double down. Revolutionary compassion and empathy should be a our foundations on the left even if you never read any theory at least this should do.
