Was trying out Victoria 2 after a long time of not touching it, installed HPM and looked up some guides to try to re-learn how ideology worked. Came across a post with this picture and found it unintentionally hilarious.

"Nuuuuu not my bourgeois burgerino democracy! The settler-colonial dream is ruined forever! The huddle masses shall no longer yearn to breathe free!

African-Americans? Native-Americans? Women? Workers? The millions of European refugees come next world war? What are those?"

  • RamrodBaguette [comrade/them, he/him]
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    4 years ago

    I think the SocDem/Socialist thing is to represent genuine socialist parties drifting towards Social Democracy, like the German SPD. Though, if that were the case, why not simply represent different wings as different parties? They already do that in-game for other parties (ie Democrats and Dixiecrats are Conservatives and Reactionaries respectively).

    • barrbaric [he/him]
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      4 years ago

      Honestly I think it's more just the team at Paradox not understanding politics. They do the exact same thing in HoI4 where "Socialism" (combining both demsocs and socdems) is a sub-ideology of "Democracy".

      • RamrodBaguette [comrade/them, he/him]
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        4 years ago

        Right. Even more compounded by how all communist countries fall into “Totalitarian Regime” status. Thankfully, mods with actual political literate creators exist.

          • RamrodBaguette [comrade/them, he/him]
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            4 years ago

            It's a good start but I'd make some changes.

            I'd replace "Democratic" with "Reformist/Moderate" (since it otherwise implies that the democratic process doesn't exist in the other two) and maybe "Authoritarian" with "Vanguard".

            Maybe "Nationalism" could be changed to "Reactionary" since I don't see Monarchists necessarily being Nationalists, while Despotists are unaffiliated altogether. Replace "Capitalism" with "Liberal Democracy" while using KR's labels of "Social Conservative/Liberal". Of course, SocDems should be put here as well.

            Let subideologies fill in the rest.

          • barrbaric [he/him]
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            4 years ago

            Having played TNO and KR a bit, I still have absolutely no idea of the differences between the subtypes of democracy, and I feel like Despotism is less an ideology than it is a circumstance brought about by external powers propping up a leader.

            Also, it'd be better not to use political compass terminology, and I would rename "Democratic Socialism" to "Reformist Socialism".

              • barrbaric [he/him]
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                4 years ago

                Yeah, but I'd still just call it "Anarchism" or something. I'll admit to not being too well-versed in history, but I'm pretty sure that at the time of WWII that would be the dominant form of libertarian socialism.

            • barrbaric [he/him]
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              4 years ago

              Spanish anarcho-syndicalists. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Confederaci%C3%B3n_Nacional_del_Trabajo