The point of bringing them up is to make this place a gathering forum for leftists of all kinds (you know, the stuff the admins intended it for), which honest discussion about states that are considered AES just helps.
There's a reason this place is considered another tankie circlejerk in most anarchist places and it's not the lack of Winnie the Pooh memes
I'm not supporting america, you're the one making that up, again any criticism ("by engaging in sectarian antagonisms online") is something you guys make up. Your whole premise is wrong.
Yeah, you’re right. Just like sitting around talking with other white westerners about how bad Iraq is for having WMDs or throwing babies out of incubators wasn’t supporting the American “intervention” in Iraq. Except for that part where it was entirely instrumental to popularizing support for “intervention” overseas and policy directed at fighting another nation.
"Before you respond that it’s “different to be critical “from the left” of ML or AES countries and we should be committed to analyzing the conditions present and evaluating them and studying them to improve our critical reasoning about good or bad things the country is doing” I want you to realize that not a single Anarchist here has done that. This post, in it’s entirety, was specifically just to shit stir MLs. Because they always are. All of the “Left unity” spaces have fucking tonnes of posts shitting on MLs and AES countries while the Tankies just post “Pro Tankie” shit instead of “Anti Anarchist” shit in response.
Constant complaints about MLs “shutting down discussion” when we’re actively discussing it, when the ML mods made an anarchism channel and made it clear that anti anarchist posts wouldn’t be tolerated, when there wasn’t even a culture of shitting on Anarchists here to begin with."
That's an outright lie lol. There used to be weekly posts about how anarchists were never ever ever successful.
"There is no analysis. There is no discourse. I’ve repeatedly said in every post “If you want to have a good conversation as communists let’s read some shit together and discuss it and decide” and not a single time does anyone say “Sure” they just say “No MLs are fucking wrong”."
I don't know i've left this article multiple times in China struggle sessions without anyone ever acknowledging it, i don't think i'm not the one not trying to start discussion.
"Tell me again how you don’t support western hegemony by only spouting western talking points, or shooting down their detractors, and ignoring repeated offers to actually discuss and analyze. Tell me again how you’re not manufacturing consent for the US empire."
you dont have to be anti-ml, you just need to be able to do basic amounts of self crit. the original subreddit never had a problem with becoming a place for left unity, and this place has miserably failed, and turned into a complete circlejerk for the absolute worst type of "maoists."
if we wanna achieve socialism, we need to point out when other socialist projects fuck up, so as not to repeat their mistakes. this is really basic marxism.
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To bridge the gap if you're trying to connect with someone who doesn't agree with you. The alternative comes off as insincere and in bad faith.
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Hey aren't you the mod of r/tankiejerk or do you just post there a lot
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Brave, but valid point, still made me cringe a bit
The point of bringing them up is to make this place a gathering forum for leftists of all kinds (you know, the stuff the admins intended it for), which honest discussion about states that are considered AES just helps.
There's a reason this place is considered another tankie circlejerk in most anarchist places and it's not the lack of Winnie the Pooh memes
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My "empire" is actually on very good term with China and was on very good terms with the USSR too, why should i stand up to them?
(I mean except the fact that they're raging fash, that's a pretty good reason)
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But america isn't my empire and never was, so you trying to project redditor tendencies on me is missing the point a lot.
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I'm not supporting america, you're the one making that up, again any criticism ("by engaging in sectarian antagonisms online") is something you guys make up. Your whole premise is wrong.
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"Before you respond that it’s “different to be critical “from the left” of ML or AES countries and we should be committed to analyzing the conditions present and evaluating them and studying them to improve our critical reasoning about good or bad things the country is doing” I want you to realize that not a single Anarchist here has done that. This post, in it’s entirety, was specifically just to shit stir MLs. Because they always are. All of the “Left unity” spaces have fucking tonnes of posts shitting on MLs and AES countries while the Tankies just post “Pro Tankie” shit instead of “Anti Anarchist” shit in response.
Constant complaints about MLs “shutting down discussion” when we’re actively discussing it, when the ML mods made an anarchism channel and made it clear that anti anarchist posts wouldn’t be tolerated, when there wasn’t even a culture of shitting on Anarchists here to begin with."
That's an outright lie lol. There used to be weekly posts about how anarchists were never ever ever successful.
"There is no analysis. There is no discourse. I’ve repeatedly said in every post “If you want to have a good conversation as communists let’s read some shit together and discuss it and decide” and not a single time does anyone say “Sure” they just say “No MLs are fucking wrong”."
I don't know i've left this article multiple times in China struggle sessions without anyone ever acknowledging it, i don't think i'm not the one not trying to start discussion.
"Tell me again how you don’t support western hegemony by only spouting western talking points, or shooting down their detractors, and ignoring repeated offers to actually discuss and analyze. Tell me again how you’re not manufacturing consent for the US empire."
Okay, i'm telling it again. I don't do that.
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If you are not centering American imperialism towards AES states when discussing them, you are an American imperialist. I don't care where you live.
Great stretch
you dont have to be anti-ml, you just need to be able to do basic amounts of self crit. the original subreddit never had a problem with becoming a place for left unity, and this place has miserably failed, and turned into a complete circlejerk for the absolute worst type of "maoists."
booo
if we wanna achieve socialism, we need to point out when other socialist projects fuck up, so as not to repeat their mistakes. this is really basic marxism.