The US isn't going to be a gilded puppet anytime soon. Their decline will be different than that of the UK & France without some power to take its leash and make it do tricks.
Also where does this wishful thinking of China superpower come from? What has China done to give y'all the impression they even want that? They've acted entirely defensively for the past century but I'm sure that's just a prelude to them taking the mask off and ordering the world about.
Most people here know nothing about China, live in the US and idealize the projection they have as an opposition to US power. It’s like the satanists who still buy entirely into the ideology but just choose to take the opposite side :zizek:
Hopefully in a few years as people learn more about China many will figure out it’s not some terrifying super spy state or some bastion of international socialism but a relatively boring if functional state that takes a paternalistic approach to handling it’s citizens and sort of hates everyone else in a resentful way after the century of humiliation.
I think its a bit like reaction to 'black power'---an assumption 'black power' would be as bloody as white power is. when "we" had the power it was used imperially, and we assume anyone else in a similar position would do the same thing.
most evidence points to China not taking up the mantle of hegemon or leader, but I totally get why people wish they would. The current crises demand global change and its daunting as fuck to acknowledge we're going to have to go at it without some USSR analogue backing us up
I think the most likely path is China attempting to revive it’s role as a mostly content tribute state that you are ‘forced’ to deal with. It has a lot of historical precedent so I don’t think it’s that big of a gamble.
when they're in a secure position again Asia's gonna pretty naturally gravitate around them but who knows what that's gonna look like in the 21st century. Tribute's a little archaic lol
bit idea: japan being forced to produce an annual tribute of anime
Who knows, a lot of Asia hates China more than the average war hawk in the US does. It’s pretty obvious that even without the US there are lots of attempts to ‘contain’ China to prevent it from reaching that point. Taiwan, Japan, Vietnam and Indonesia all seem to have a relationship to keep China as an equal partner instead of a superior one. India has a very tense border with China because of water restrictions in Tibet as well as most of the southern neighbors who China ‘encourages’ by building dams. I also doubt the Russian/Chinese friendship will continue for too much longer.
Tribute still happens, it’s just called luxury now where you pay more for the same thing.
Yea this is it. The US' level of development, natural geography, resources, and land mass gives it a certain baseline level of power that it's not really ever going to fall below world power status. It can stumble, and fuck up really hard and still recover in a way a smaller, weaker state cannot. Even if China overtakes the US, China lives in a much tougher neighbourhood than the US and is hemmed in on all sides by US allies or countries that will fall into America's orbit as a way to balance against China.
China has to deal with Japan, South Korea, Russia, India, Australia and other minor regional powers in its immediate area. Who could conceivably be a counter weight to America in the American hemisphere? Venezuela? Lol.
The US isn't going to be a gilded puppet anytime soon. Their decline will be different than that of the UK & France without some power to take its leash and make it do tricks.
Also where does this wishful thinking of China superpower come from? What has China done to give y'all the impression they even want that? They've acted entirely defensively for the past century but I'm sure that's just a prelude to them taking the mask off and ordering the world about.
Most people here know nothing about China, live in the US and idealize the projection they have as an opposition to US power. It’s like the satanists who still buy entirely into the ideology but just choose to take the opposite side :zizek:
Hopefully in a few years as people learn more about China many will figure out it’s not some terrifying super spy state or some bastion of international socialism but a relatively boring if functional state that takes a paternalistic approach to handling it’s citizens and sort of hates everyone else in a resentful way after the century of humiliation.
I think its a bit like reaction to 'black power'---an assumption 'black power' would be as bloody as white power is. when "we" had the power it was used imperially, and we assume anyone else in a similar position would do the same thing.
most evidence points to China not taking up the mantle of hegemon or leader, but I totally get why people wish they would. The current crises demand global change and its daunting as fuck to acknowledge we're going to have to go at it without some USSR analogue backing us up
I think the most likely path is China attempting to revive it’s role as a mostly content tribute state that you are ‘forced’ to deal with. It has a lot of historical precedent so I don’t think it’s that big of a gamble.
when they're in a secure position again Asia's gonna pretty naturally gravitate around them but who knows what that's gonna look like in the 21st century. Tribute's a little archaic lol
bit idea: japan being forced to produce an annual tribute of anime
Who knows, a lot of Asia hates China more than the average war hawk in the US does. It’s pretty obvious that even without the US there are lots of attempts to ‘contain’ China to prevent it from reaching that point. Taiwan, Japan, Vietnam and Indonesia all seem to have a relationship to keep China as an equal partner instead of a superior one. India has a very tense border with China because of water restrictions in Tibet as well as most of the southern neighbors who China ‘encourages’ by building dams. I also doubt the Russian/Chinese friendship will continue for too much longer.
Tribute still happens, it’s just called luxury now where you pay more for the same thing.
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Yea this is it. The US' level of development, natural geography, resources, and land mass gives it a certain baseline level of power that it's not really ever going to fall below world power status. It can stumble, and fuck up really hard and still recover in a way a smaller, weaker state cannot. Even if China overtakes the US, China lives in a much tougher neighbourhood than the US and is hemmed in on all sides by US allies or countries that will fall into America's orbit as a way to balance against China. China has to deal with Japan, South Korea, Russia, India, Australia and other minor regional powers in its immediate area. Who could conceivably be a counter weight to America in the American hemisphere? Venezuela? Lol.