Yeah I mis-spoke, I'm not sure what the words I'm looking for are but like... every time I've brought it up I've got someone in my mentions (not here, natch) screaming about China pumping money into Muslim majority countries so they won't speak ill of them or some other silly shit, and it's absolutely silly shit, but then I've gotten wrapped up in a debate on hegemony and shit. I absolutely, personally, think that the fact no Muslim country has spoken against China on this to be extremely telling (that is, that the camps are not genocidal), but as I've mentioned in a few other comments, I come at this from the position of living and dealing with left-of-centre people who I don't want to alienate for a couple bits of political point scoring.
I come at this from the position of living and dealing with left-of-centre people who I don’t want to alienate for a couple bits of political point scoring.
You do you of course but this sort of compromise is always won by right wing views. The further left you are the i more rational and "reasonable" we believe to be so maybe just maybe it is ok to concede in one random point here and there and be pragmatic about, left unity and all that garbage nonsense.
The problem is life is dynamic and issues arise both old and new and if at every point you start to concede to right wing points eventually you are not a socialist or even a left winger but just an American right winger centrist/liberal.
My point is for now you may believe conceding this is a compromise for the best except there is 100% there will be a new issue in the future that you'll either have to draw a line over or concede yet again.
I'm not going to sit here and judge you since I don't know you personally, but honestly IMO this sort of attitude will not be sustainable long term.
It is ok to say hey I don't want to be at forefront of ideological battles with people that I care about in my life, but it is kind of shitty to pretend it is just about "political point scoring".
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Yeah I mis-spoke, I'm not sure what the words I'm looking for are but like... every time I've brought it up I've got someone in my mentions (not here, natch) screaming about China pumping money into Muslim majority countries so they won't speak ill of them or some other silly shit, and it's absolutely silly shit, but then I've gotten wrapped up in a debate on hegemony and shit. I absolutely, personally, think that the fact no Muslim country has spoken against China on this to be extremely telling (that is, that the camps are not genocidal), but as I've mentioned in a few other comments, I come at this from the position of living and dealing with left-of-centre people who I don't want to alienate for a couple bits of political point scoring.
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You do you of course but this sort of compromise is always won by right wing views. The further left you are the i more rational and "reasonable" we believe to be so maybe just maybe it is ok to concede in one random point here and there and be pragmatic about, left unity and all that garbage nonsense.
The problem is life is dynamic and issues arise both old and new and if at every point you start to concede to right wing points eventually you are not a socialist or even a left winger but just an American
right wingercentrist/liberal.My point is for now you may believe conceding this is a compromise for the best except there is 100% there will be a new issue in the future that you'll either have to draw a line over or concede yet again. I'm not going to sit here and judge you since I don't know you personally, but honestly IMO this sort of attitude will not be sustainable long term.
It is ok to say hey I don't want to be at forefront of ideological battles with people that I care about in my life, but it is kind of shitty to pretend it is just about "political point scoring".