• zifnab25 [he/him, any]
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    4 years ago

    This is what DC does to you.

    Some guys in suits pull you into a closed committee room and say "This is what we can't tell anyone but you. It's the RAW intelligence. The real deal." Then they show you absolute horseshit for hours. And, before they leave, they say "But it's secret intelligence, you can't tell anyone". Then you're left winking and nodding and telling your constituents "Trust me on this one, I know things", perpetuating the hoax by omission.

    This is why guys like Trump piss the bureaucracy off so much. He's equally credulous towards InfoWars as The Deep State and considers every one of them just an avenue with which to grift. He's too corrupt to be corruptible by this shit. But Ilhan's supposed to be the voice of the Muslim Minority. She's ripe fruit.

    • SorosFootSoldier [he/him, they/them]
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      4 years ago

      He’s too corrupt to be corruptible by this shit.

      Is it bad that this is a lot of the reason why I both love and hate Trump? He wears it on his sleeve and it's honestly refreshing. Guy was the post-modern president.

      • zifnab25 [he/him, any]
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        4 years ago

        Eh. Guys like Trump get to flaunt their corruption because they know they're protected. That impeachment conviction vote is a clear example. Just utterly impervious to consequences.

        He's a different kind of horrible, which is "refreshing" in so far as it pisses off the libs. But it's still fucking horrible. Even as a milquetoast-on-war guy, he still managed to reek havoc on Latin America and the Middle East.

        My fervent hope is that Biden's going to be entirely too tied up managing domestic disasters to dip his dick into foreign affairs. But it always seems like we've got money in the banana stand to do something reckless, monstrous, and stupid.

    • SleepyMarxist [none/use name]
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      4 years ago

      Where can I learn more about this? I've picked up a good bit of hearsay about the bureaucracy/deep state/whatever but I've never seriously studied it.

  • neebay [any,undecided]
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    4 years ago

    I think there's a running theme of sunni chauvinism in a lot of her seemingly hypocritical positions

    • DeepPoliSci [none/use name]
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      4 years ago

      It seems more Turkey-centric.

      Ilhan Omar takes money from the pro-Erdogan Turkish American Steering Committee (TASC) [1] and has attended conferences with the Erdogan family.

      The TASC lobbied against the recognition of the Armenian genocide and sanction placed on Turkey for their invasion of Syria. Ilhan voted present & against, respectively, rebuking the Democratic Party line on each.

      This also fits with her endorsement of East Turkestan separatists. I've understood the East Turkestan terrorist organizations to be a part of Turkey's imperial project. The East Turkestan Liberation Organization was founded in Turkey during the late 80's, around the same time China began reporting an upsurge in separatist violence [2]

      Edit: Tulsi was cancelled in 2018 for her Modi connections, but Ilhan can buddy up with Turkish fascists no problem. It's almost like Left-wing discourse is easily manipulated, and the real issue with Tulsi at that time was her actions against the US occupation of Syria.

      • LeninsRage [he/him]
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        4 years ago

        Fuck, I didn't know about this. Thats really fucking bad.

      • Gay_Wrath [fae/faer]
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        4 years ago

        i didn't know any of this, thanks ignorant amerikkkan education!

        https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Recep_Tayyip_Erdo%C4%9Fan

        In December 2008, Erdoğan criticised the I Apologize campaign by Turkish intellectuals to recognize the Armenian Genocide, saying, "I neither accept nor support this campaign. We did not commit a crime, therefore we do not need to apologise ... It will not have any benefit other than stirring up trouble, disturbing our peace and undoing the steps which have been taken".[93] In November 2009, he said, "it is not possible for those who belong to the Muslim faith to carry out genocide".

        oof

        In January 2016, more than a thousand academics signed a petition criticizing Turkey's military crackdown on ethnic Kurdish towns and neighborhoods in the east of the country, such as Sur (a district of Diyarbakır), Silvan, Nusaybin, Cizre and Silopi, and asking an end to violence.[251] Erdoğan accused those who signed the petition of "terrorist propaganda", calling them "the darkest of people". He called for action by institutions and universities, stating, "Everyone who benefits from this state but is now an enemy of the state must be punished without further delay".[252] Within days, over 30 of the signatories were arrested, many in dawn-time raids on their homes. Although all were quickly released, nearly half were fired from their jobs, eliciting a denunciation from Turkey's Science Academy for such "wrong and disturbing" treatment.[253] Erdoğan vowed that the academics would pay the price for "falling into a pit of treachery".

        bigger oof :C

        • foxodroid [she/her]
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          4 years ago

          maybe, but the sunni schools are no where near as different as Christian sects. You'll only notice the differences if you're a huge nerd who spends too much time reading that shit.

          • DerEwigeAtheist [she/her, comrade/them]
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            4 years ago

            I mean yeah, i just know that the hanafi are the relaxed ones and hanbalite are where wahabism comes from. I've forgot the details of the Shafiit(don't know the english phonetics) school. Which is where geographically she would be in.

            • foxodroid [she/her]
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              4 years ago

              no joke, the only unique thing i know of with the shafi3i school is they're the only ones who allow a father to marry his illegitimate daughter..because technically she's "not his daughter".

              It's a super obscure fact but literally nothing else comes to mind.

              • DerEwigeAtheist [she/her, comrade/them]
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                4 years ago

                I've once hat a person in a masters programm on islam science explain the differences for me and i forgot everything, maybe some stuff about who can do Iddjihad.

  • TheModerateTankie [any]
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    4 years ago

    Never expect any elected official to be critical of our foreign policy. You'll just be disappointed.

        • Sphincter_Spartan [any,comrade/them]
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          4 years ago

          I think it's useful for entryists to see so hopefully they begin to understand the futility of their strategy. You are right though that there is a logic behind the squad doing shit like this, which is one of the reasons for that futility

            • emizeko [they/them]
              hexagon
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              4 years ago

              hmm, that might explain why we disagree on this... I rejected China propaganda way before entryism due to my own circumstances so my perspective must be affected by that

      • GrandAyatollaLenin [he/him,comrade/them]
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        4 years ago

        1 She didn't deny the Armenian Genocide. She clearly implied it should be recognised, but not used as a tool in America's growing animosity towards Turkey.

        For people who pride themselves on seeing through American propaganda, Chapos somehow missed that this whole spat with Turkey was to enforce American control of its NATO allies. Turkey opposed the Iraq invasion, has sought to improve ties with Russia, and didn't go along with America's FSA->SDF switch. The US doesn't give a shit about genocide or any of the actual bad things Erdogan has done. They do care if a Muslim nation aaserts independence and seeks regional leadership at America's expense.

        2 Ilhan did not call the Uighur camps Genocide. She said mass detention.

        This is not hypocrisy. It's two different takes on two different situations.

          • GrandAyatollaLenin [he/him,comrade/them]
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            4 years ago

            It's a ongoing propaganda campaign, but it's also a thing that's happening.

            If a Muslim woman is uncomfortable with an atheist state forcibly detaining Muslims and subjecting them to political indoctrination under the pretext of counter-terrorism, then let her have a little Twitter rant.

    • Kerenskyeet [any]
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      4 years ago

      It’d just be nice to see one person in Congress not devolve into a complete ghoul