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  • T_Doug [he/him]
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    3 years ago

    TrueAnon is good, but a lot of their research on topics seems to be reading a few sources that agree with their viewpoint, then uncritically repeating them on the show. The 9/11 episodes were a particularly large example of this, and it's been harder for me to take them as seriously since.

    There's a very good chance that Bush/CIA knew about the attacks ahead of time, and did nothing to stop them. But a lot of the truther speculation Brace & Liz brought up (controlled demolition, Pentagon missile, building 7) is plain dumb.

    • YungTheorist [he/him]
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      3 years ago

      A lot of the conspiracy theories around 9/11 are like Occam’s Ducttape, where it’s the most complicated answer possible that falls apart when one asks why. The simple answer is that American Imperialism has consequences.

      • volkvulture [none/use name]
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        3 years ago

        only saying that the CIA was definitely involved in radicalizing terror cells & that the FBI ignored warnings is the same cover given & interference run for the Kennedy assassination or for King's assassination or for the release of information about MKUltra etc.

        we know there is foul play & preemptive government knowledge & planning in all of these incidents, but it's always only accidental & almost "circumstantial" that material evidence is ever revealed about these clandestine operations

        • YungTheorist [he/him]
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          3 years ago

          Its a lot easier to shoot a man on a balcony and blame it on another man than to fly hijack 4 planes. I don’t believe the US had an “accident” because I believe they let it happen on purpose.

          Also, the CIA isn’t being let off the hook. The CIA, even without 9/11, is a terrorist organization. What are the consequences for leftism if we don’t believe the CIA did 9/11?

          • volkvulture [none/use name]
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            3 years ago

            If you believe the US let it happen on purpose, then there really isn't anything logically preventing you from recognizing that complicity & foreknowledge are the same as culpability

            • YungTheorist [he/him]
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              3 years ago

              I believe they were complicit and I believe that they are to blame. I don’t believe that they themselves demolished the towers

              • volkvulture [none/use name]
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                3 years ago

                If we know there are connections between Bin Laden and the CIA & anti-communist operations with Salafist groups going back to the 1970s, then there are both knowns & unknowns

                it's no mystery that 9/11 was a crisis that wasn't allowed to go to waste. and the larger context of planning to blame Saddam within hours of the attack & subsequent issues with Anthrax etc all point to a larger contingency in place for such events.

                I can't know what I can't know, and neither can anyone else, but that doesn't mean that the explanations given are satisfactory

      • AtomPunk [he/him]
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        3 years ago

        Even WTYP did an episode on 9/11. Roz makes a point not to shit in TrueAnon since their episodes came out around the same time but as a civil engineer, he dispels any notion of a controlled demolition. Buildings just can’t withstand a plane hitting them.

          • AtomPunk [he/him]
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            3 years ago

            Yeah the heat created from the burning of all the office supplies in the building weakened its structural integrity. Each floor can hold up a load but the floors started collapsing on top of each other. The not-freefall thing is something else, yikes. Brace usually seems like a well-read dude but I couldn’t tell if that whole episode was a bit after that. This is physics, you can’t eyeball this lol.