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  • T_Doug [he/him]
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    3 years ago

    TrueAnon is good, but a lot of their research on topics seems to be reading a few sources that agree with their viewpoint, then uncritically repeating them on the show. The 9/11 episodes were a particularly large example of this, and it's been harder for me to take them as seriously since.

    There's a very good chance that Bush/CIA knew about the attacks ahead of time, and did nothing to stop them. But a lot of the truther speculation Brace & Liz brought up (controlled demolition, Pentagon missile, building 7) is plain dumb.

    • YungTheorist [he/him]
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      3 years ago

      A lot of the conspiracy theories around 9/11 are like Occam’s Ducttape, where it’s the most complicated answer possible that falls apart when one asks why. The simple answer is that American Imperialism has consequences.

      • volkvulture [none/use name]
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        3 years ago

        only saying that the CIA was definitely involved in radicalizing terror cells & that the FBI ignored warnings is the same cover given & interference run for the Kennedy assassination or for King's assassination or for the release of information about MKUltra etc.

        we know there is foul play & preemptive government knowledge & planning in all of these incidents, but it's always only accidental & almost "circumstantial" that material evidence is ever revealed about these clandestine operations

        • YungTheorist [he/him]
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          3 years ago

          Its a lot easier to shoot a man on a balcony and blame it on another man than to fly hijack 4 planes. I don’t believe the US had an “accident” because I believe they let it happen on purpose.

          Also, the CIA isn’t being let off the hook. The CIA, even without 9/11, is a terrorist organization. What are the consequences for leftism if we don’t believe the CIA did 9/11?

          • volkvulture [none/use name]
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            3 years ago

            If you believe the US let it happen on purpose, then there really isn't anything logically preventing you from recognizing that complicity & foreknowledge are the same as culpability

            • YungTheorist [he/him]
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              3 years ago

              I believe they were complicit and I believe that they are to blame. I don’t believe that they themselves demolished the towers

              • volkvulture [none/use name]
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                3 years ago

                If we know there are connections between Bin Laden and the CIA & anti-communist operations with Salafist groups going back to the 1970s, then there are both knowns & unknowns

                it's no mystery that 9/11 was a crisis that wasn't allowed to go to waste. and the larger context of planning to blame Saddam within hours of the attack & subsequent issues with Anthrax etc all point to a larger contingency in place for such events.

                I can't know what I can't know, and neither can anyone else, but that doesn't mean that the explanations given are satisfactory

      • AtomPunk [he/him]
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        3 years ago

        Even WTYP did an episode on 9/11. Roz makes a point not to shit in TrueAnon since their episodes came out around the same time but as a civil engineer, he dispels any notion of a controlled demolition. Buildings just can’t withstand a plane hitting them.

          • AtomPunk [he/him]
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            3 years ago

            Yeah the heat created from the burning of all the office supplies in the building weakened its structural integrity. Each floor can hold up a load but the floors started collapsing on top of each other. The not-freefall thing is something else, yikes. Brace usually seems like a well-read dude but I couldn’t tell if that whole episode was a bit after that. This is physics, you can’t eyeball this lol.

  • Sprolicious [none/use name]
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    3 years ago

    Largely. Other than real fire shit like Inebriated Past, TA's ability to hone in on a single topic makes a more appealing product to me. It's at its worst when it tries what Chapo does best, general news of the week stuff, but its quality is more consistent.

    I didn't have to wait 8 months after Bernie lost to enjoy Brace and Liz again

  • vorenza [any]
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    3 years ago

    Chapo is funny

    TrueAnon isn't

    Both podcasts are horrible at analysis

    Listen to Citations Needed

    • ButtBidet [he/him]
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      3 years ago

      I actually 100% agree with this. I really like CN, but some people seem to find it too dry.

      Anyhow, I like Adam's working class family, state uni, cut through the bullshit demeanor.

      • YOuLibsWoulD [he/him]
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        3 years ago

        I would say 5-4, good history of a shit hole country while not dry.

    • rozako [she/her]
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      3 years ago

      Literally would love a memoir written by him or to even just sit down and talk about his life. We went through a lot of similar shit, and I like how his life affected his politics and etc.

        • JayTwo [any]
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          3 years ago

          So, the unauthorized Jake Gyllenhaal movie isn't gonna happen?

          I'm kinda bummed, tbh.

        • MichoganGayFrog [they/them]
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          3 years ago

          I have a Warkrime record I got with a bunch a while back. Didn't make the connection until my roommate pointed it out this year. He also wrote some columns in MRR at the time as well

        • RedArmor [he/him]
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          3 years ago

          The chapo interview with him in Syria is fantastic and brace is funny as hell like always

  • zukai12_ [none/use name]
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    3 years ago

    Chapo has the best blend of serious, funny and enough personalities to keep every episode interesting

    Theres a reason Chapo is the top dog podcast

  • gammison [none/use name]
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    3 years ago

    Yung Chomsky is the single best dressed podcast producer on the planet I guarantee it.

  • Leon_Grotsky [comrade/them]
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    3 years ago

    This is a correct take.

    Also QAA > Chapo IMO, but I'm a real sicko and will allow people to disagree w/ this one.

  • wtypstanaccount04 [he/him]
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    3 years ago

    WTYP>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Chapo

    A podcast with slides about engineering disasters. Despite talking about dark topics constantly, it is consistently funny and not that doomer. I can't listen to Chapo anymore. It's understandable to feel doomer right now, but Chapo thinks that nothing good will happen ever again. They have no hope, and imo the podcast is dead.