He called us very sweet and said our vegans are well-meaning but very aggressive
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That was a shock hearing Hexbear's name lmao
He called us very sweet and said our vegans are well-meaning but very aggressive
Hehehehe
That was a shock hearing Hexbear's name lmao
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Sheep are also dumb as fuck and will die if they roll over.
Also really against the fact that catradoras comment was removed.
Veganism would fix that
Undialectical and unmaterialist negative seven bears
isnt it cruel to force a parasitic livestyle on a consious beeing that wants to contribute to society ?
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You think this because you believe that animal consciousness, cognition, and emotion are inherently less valuable than human consciousness, cognition, and emotion.
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Of course I would, and I agree we humans are indeed exceptional among animals. Why does that mean our consciousness, cognition, emotion, and pain are more valuable?
We need a subject or observer to assign value right? I agree that our ability to understand (or doubt our understanding of) our suffering makes us interesting animals and it seems to separate us from almost every other animal on the planet. Where we diverge is that I don't think a human's ability to contemplate their suffering makes their suffering much more or less valuable than a dog's, cow's, or pig's.
Any animal with a hippocampus probably has some time cells, which means they certainly have an intuitive understanding of time. Maybe cows lack the computational machinery to assign symbolic meaning to abstract shapes and use them to record the passage of time in an external machine, but I wouldn't be surprised if eventually neuroscientists found a representation of much longer sequences of time in dogs, cats, cows, pigs, and other more complicated mammals. The experiments would be heinous and I think this sort of thing should only be probed noninvasively, if ever, but I wouldn't be surprised if there were representations of experiences that occurred over days and weeks in dolphin and elephant cortices. I think there have been experiments on food-storing birds that showed surprisingly long episodic memory.
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The problem isn't cows in a barn, the problem is thousands of cows (per site) in metal pens too narrow to turn in being continuously forcibly impregnated, drugged, and milked until they are not good for the purpose and slaughtered. Only a minority are calling for a fatwa on Old MacDonald's Farm, they have a more serious problem with the industrialized molestation, torture, and slaughter of countless creatures in sites that literal Holocaust survivors have compared to concentration camps.
cOmPaRiNg tHiNgS ThAt sHaRe mAtErIaL SiMiLaRiTiEs iS IdEnTiCaL To sTaTiNg tHeY'Re tHe sAmE ThInG
I, and other vegans, are obviously not saying animal agriculture is exactly the same as the atlantic slave trade. The comment you're mad about made a glib, maybe flippant, remark on certain similarities between vegetarianism, which carries a facade of prioritizing animal welfare by not eating their flesh, but still does incredible violence to animals without their consent at a geologically significant scale, to a law that sought to appear to be reforming a slave economy by prohibiting imports of slaves, while allowing the continuation of the slave economy. This is a pretty apt comparison imo.
Please take a few deep breaths and if you want to have a real conversation about this instead of yelling at vegans on the internet for comparing two similar but distinct instances of violence I'm happy to resume. Otherwise, please disengage.
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This kind of shit is why people call vegans racist
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Cows that die when they aren't milked? I know it can be painful for a lactating cow to go un-milked and there are health complications that go with it, but don't they usually just stop lactating if that goes on for too long?
I worked on a farm and they usually died before they got to this point. Most of the harm to the animals would disappear with a change in diet and letting them have some exercise.
Around 5:12 in episode 101.
thank you.