He called us very sweet and said our vegans are well-meaning but very aggressive
Hehehehe
That was a shock hearing Hexbear's name lmao
it's so wild to hear that. it's funny about the vegans though, i would wager a fair amount of us do eat meat, and we've just landed on rules that mostly keep things from getting out of hand. maybe that's just because i remember the original struggle session though
I remember those days. We lost a lot of good (and bad) comrades from that one
this is how i win. i stay quiet during the struggle sessions so that i can seize power later. i would say that was one of the rougher ones too.
When the soul of a poster is born on this website nets are flung at it to hold it back from flight. You speak to me of "struggle sessions", "bans for libs", "outdoor cats". I shall try to fly by these nets.
i delete a lot of stuff i type because i know i'm not expressing myself well.
That struggle session brings back some bad memories. We lost some indigenous comrades over it. Broke my heart.
Sheep are also dumb as fuck and will die if they roll over.
Also really against the fact that catradoras comment was removed.
again comparing this to the slave trade is fucking shitty of you bastards
You think this because you believe that animal consciousness, cognition, and emotion are inherently less valuable than human consciousness, cognition, and emotion.
Are you saying you wouldn't?
Of course I would, and I agree we humans are indeed exceptional among animals. Why does that mean our consciousness, cognition, emotion, and pain are more valuable?
We need a subject or observer to assign value right? I agree that our ability to understand (or doubt our understanding of) our suffering makes us interesting animals and it seems to separate us from almost every other animal on the planet. Where we diverge is that I don't think a human's ability to contemplate their suffering makes their suffering much more or less valuable than a dog's, cow's, or pig's.
Most animals don't even understand the passing of time beyond a few hours.
Any animal with a hippocampus probably has some time cells, which means they certainly have an intuitive understanding of time. Maybe cows lack the computational machinery to assign symbolic meaning to abstract shapes and use them to record the passage of time in an external machine, but I wouldn't be surprised if eventually neuroscientists found a representation of much longer sequences of time in dogs, cats, cows, pigs, and other more complicated mammals. The experiments would be heinous and I think this sort of thing should only be probed noninvasively, if ever, but I wouldn't be surprised if there were representations of experiences that occurred over days and weeks in dolphin and elephant cortices. I think there have been experiments on food-storing birds that showed surprisingly long episodic memory.
The problem isn't cows in a barn, the problem is thousands of cows (per site) in metal pens too narrow to turn in being continuously forcibly impregnated, drugged, and milked until they are not good for the purpose and slaughtered. Only a minority are calling for a fatwa on Old MacDonald's Farm, they have a more serious problem with the industrialized molestation, torture, and slaughter of countless creatures in sites that literal Holocaust survivors have compared to concentration camps.
, you somehow believe cows in a barn is the same thing as THE FUCKING ATLANTIC SLAVE TRADE
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I, and other vegans, are obviously not saying animal agriculture is exactly the same as the atlantic slave trade. The comment you're mad about made a glib, maybe flippant, remark on certain similarities between vegetarianism, which carries a facade of prioritizing animal welfare by not eating their flesh, but still does incredible violence to animals without their consent at a geologically significant scale, to a law that sought to appear to be reforming a slave economy by prohibiting imports of slaves, while allowing the continuation of the slave economy. This is a pretty apt comparison imo.
Please take a few deep breaths and if you want to have a real conversation about this instead of yelling at vegans on the internet for comparing two similar but distinct instances of violence I'm happy to resume. Otherwise, please disengage.
isnt it cruel to force a parasitic livestyle on a consious beeing that wants to contribute to society ?
Cows that die when they aren't milked? I know it can be painful for a lactating cow to go un-milked and there are health complications that go with it, but don't they usually just stop lactating if that goes on for too long?
but don't they usually just stop lactating if that goes on for too long?
I worked on a farm and they usually died before they got to this point. Most of the harm to the animals would disappear with a change in diet and letting them have some exercise.
EDIT: oh and whats the Timestamps btw.
Around 5:12 in episode 101.
Vegans are right though. They are the only people who go ALL THE WAY with what Marx called "the ruthless criticism of all that exists" and the general fight against oppression.
(also even from a purely selfish standpoint that doesn't care about the environment or ethics, they make really good points about meat being carcinogenic trash that destroys your body)
Yeahh, agreed. Tbh all the vegan agitation here is what made me decide to stop eating meat. In the west, it's just taken for granted that animal slaughter is good and natural and that animals are beneath us and so they deserve their fate. It's completely fucked. I hadn't thought about it and how inseparable animal liberation is from all liberation from oppressive systems until I came here.
I think vegans, in the same way that communists do, can sometimes fail to meet people where they're at, though. Carnism is so ingrained in people's thinking and the way food is produced that it will be a long and difficult project to see carnism's end.
"Commandism is wrong in any type of work, because in overstepping the level of political consciousness of the masses and violating the principle of voluntary mass action it reflects the disease of impetuosity. Our comrades must not assume that everything they themselves understand is understood by the masses. Whether the masses understand it and are ready to take action can be discovered only by going into their midst and making investigations. If we do so, we can avoid commandism..." -Mao Zedong, "On Coalition Government" (April 24, 1945)
That’s why it hurts to hear as a communist, you assume because you’re fighting for the liberation of all people, that you’ve reached the endpoint of moral goodness
They are the only people who go ALL THE WAY with what Marx called "the ruthless criticism of all that exists" and the general fight against oppression.
Rather, a subset of them, since imperial dog vegans exist and are probably the majority in the first world. It's an intersection between substantial leftists and vegans that meet this metric, I guess you could say.
vegans are well-meaning but very aggressive
probably from that one time they jumped down his throat for absolutely no fucking reason. Thank god he has the patience of the saint.
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