China, under growing global pressure over its treatment of a Muslim minority in its far west, is mounting an unprecedented and aggressive campaign to push back, including explicit attacks on women who have made claims of abuse.
Presuming this isn’t being editorialized somehow, yea this is extremely disgraceful. And this guy is number two for their foreign affairs ministry? Disgusting way to speak about people alleging abuse, does not reflect China well at all. If the party had any sense, he’d be demoted because he’s obviously not fit to hold that position if he thinks this is appropriate or warranted, or even remotely productive.
Given the nature of this bit of news, and how hardline I am against the narrative anyway, I try to consider information as it comes out with at least a bit of good faith. Reuters would have to be straight up lying if this isn’t what the guy was doing. To me it doesn’t seem out of the realm of possibility, so I’m not gonna come out the door and say “this is most definitely made up” when I have no reason to. Ofc, the very real potential of intentional poor translation is always there.
I mean, how would you characterize mainstream American reporting on Xinjiang?
The right approach with unreliable sources isn't to treat new reporting from them with good faith -- they've done nothing to earn that, and quite a lot to show it's undeserved. The approach is to be agnostic on the new reporting until you get better information.
I largely agree with you. I’m mostly considering this on terms of a party official getting out of line in his approach in combating the narrative. You can be right and still communicate things in a poor and irresponsible way, this applies to a wide range of potential situations. This kind of conversation, of course, is only suitable among comrades as they can grasp the nuances of the situation.
"A Xinjiang government official said of another witness last month: “Everyone knows about her inferior character. She’s lazy and likes comfort, her private life is chaotic, her neighbours say that she committed adultery while in China.”"
I mean if that's an actual true quote then that's extremely bad optics, huge misstep from the CPC. I realize it might be fabricated or heavily mistranslated though.
Presuming this isn’t being editorialized somehow, yea this is extremely disgraceful. And this guy is number two for their foreign affairs ministry? Disgusting way to speak about people alleging abuse, does not reflect China well at all. If the party had any sense, he’d be demoted because he’s obviously not fit to hold that position if he thinks this is appropriate or warranted, or even remotely productive.
Why presume this given what we know about how this story has been propagandized?
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Given the nature of this bit of news, and how hardline I am against the narrative anyway, I try to consider information as it comes out with at least a bit of good faith. Reuters would have to be straight up lying if this isn’t what the guy was doing. To me it doesn’t seem out of the realm of possibility, so I’m not gonna come out the door and say “this is most definitely made up” when I have no reason to. Ofc, the very real potential of intentional poor translation is always there.
I mean, how would you characterize mainstream American reporting on Xinjiang?
The right approach with unreliable sources isn't to treat new reporting from them with good faith -- they've done nothing to earn that, and quite a lot to show it's undeserved. The approach is to be agnostic on the new reporting until you get better information.
I largely agree with you. I’m mostly considering this on terms of a party official getting out of line in his approach in combating the narrative. You can be right and still communicate things in a poor and irresponsible way, this applies to a wide range of potential situations. This kind of conversation, of course, is only suitable among comrades as they can grasp the nuances of the situation.
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I mean if that's an actual true quote then that's extremely bad optics, huge misstep from the CPC. I realize it might be fabricated or heavily mistranslated though.