With the new variants, you need something like 80% of the population vaccinated. Only half of the adults in the US say they plan to get the vaccine. I also remember reading the amount of actual anti vax people in the US is like 10%; though I suspect it has grown since then. So yeah, it could actually be a real problem (though acquired immunity for those having been infected helps).
Does that number give a distinction between those who say they won't get the vaccine and those who say they won't until they know it's safe and effective (now granted, I'm sure some people in that group are just anti-vaxxers who realize that it won't make them any friends, but still).
Moderna submitted it for testing like a week ago, I'm not sure what you mean by it being an example. Same thing will happen with other companies too if they want to stay in the game. The escape variant mutations aren't nearly the main danger for people right now, it's gonna be some time before that happens. I'm not sure what "enough" means to you, but the surge whether we're talking US or globally is generally subsiding. The one thing that is kind of worrying is India (although it is pretty low right now) and Brazil but beyond that this wave is ending. This gives time. There is a large shift in resource allocation happening right now and it's not going as well as they pretended it would but it's happening. I want to see how well the production schedule of Johnson and Johnson is gonna go since that's a single dose vaccine and that helps.
The point about the surge subsiding has to do with the rate of mutations and the available time for vaccine rollout.
Again you're talking about it as if the rate of vaccine production and rollout doesn't change at all compared to the first time they came out which is just not the case. To go from not producing something at all to producing a modified version of it and to go from not distributing something to distributing a slightly different thing are not the same. Especially with mRNA vaccines, these have never again been mass produced and production as well as distribution is still ramping up globally. If people can receive a new flu vaccine every year, there is no reason why the same and better can't happen with COVID, where there's like 100x the pressure for that. The main concern is countries which can't afford to vaccinate many people. Although at least these countries are on average at least handling it less catastrophically than Europe and the US.
The variants were known and sequenced in December. They announced work on it in January. They are testing now. That is 3 months lag time already and testing isn’t done. This is all in the context of variants against which current mRNA vaccines, like Moderna’s, are still pretty effective.
You're talking as if variants don't have lag time for spreading themselves. Also it was closer to 2 months, the month just started.
Why are you acting like a reddit master debater lol it is perfectly relevant, you were wondering why I mentioned the surge subsiding so I told you why.
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Not liking the italics on that “if.” Think antivaxxers are gonna be that a big a problem? I mean, bigger than they already are?
With the new variants, you need something like 80% of the population vaccinated. Only half of the adults in the US say they plan to get the vaccine. I also remember reading the amount of actual anti vax people in the US is like 10%; though I suspect it has grown since then. So yeah, it could actually be a real problem (though acquired immunity for those having been infected helps).
Does that number give a distinction between those who say they won't get the vaccine and those who say they won't until they know it's safe and effective (now granted, I'm sure some people in that group are just anti-vaxxers who realize that it won't make them any friends, but still).
It doesn't, which is why I mentioned the rough number of actual anti-vax people as well.
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That is not how it works.
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Moderna submitted it for testing like a week ago, I'm not sure what you mean by it being an example. Same thing will happen with other companies too if they want to stay in the game. The escape variant mutations aren't nearly the main danger for people right now, it's gonna be some time before that happens. I'm not sure what "enough" means to you, but the surge whether we're talking US or globally is generally subsiding. The one thing that is kind of worrying is India (although it is pretty low right now) and Brazil but beyond that this wave is ending. This gives time. There is a large shift in resource allocation happening right now and it's not going as well as they pretended it would but it's happening. I want to see how well the production schedule of Johnson and Johnson is gonna go since that's a single dose vaccine and that helps.
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The point about the surge subsiding has to do with the rate of mutations and the available time for vaccine rollout.
Again you're talking about it as if the rate of vaccine production and rollout doesn't change at all compared to the first time they came out which is just not the case. To go from not producing something at all to producing a modified version of it and to go from not distributing something to distributing a slightly different thing are not the same. Especially with mRNA vaccines, these have never again been mass produced and production as well as distribution is still ramping up globally. If people can receive a new flu vaccine every year, there is no reason why the same and better can't happen with COVID, where there's like 100x the pressure for that. The main concern is countries which can't afford to vaccinate many people. Although at least these countries are on average at least handling it less catastrophically than Europe and the US.
You're talking as if variants don't have lag time for spreading themselves. Also it was closer to 2 months, the month just started.
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Why are you acting like a reddit master debater lol it is perfectly relevant, you were wondering why I mentioned the surge subsiding so I told you why.
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Cringe tbh.