In short, posting here can seem a lot like work. There's an expectation of work, or needing to read the right theory or perform the proper amount of self-crit and just a high level of needing to justify one's continued presence on the website to other users.
The audience for such things is a lot smaller than low-effort nonsense. That's fine; higher demand activities have necessarily smaller audiences.
That's a fair criticism for the retention side. I don't disagree that retention can be improved and that some element of user-fatigue due to over-expectations of their leftist credentials and self-improvement might be playing a role in that.
What you must understand however is that growth on a site like this is actually made up of 3 parts:
Acquisition - This is the part where we get users to come here from somewhere else, but before they have made an account.
Conversion - This is the part where the user is convinced to actually make an account.
Retention - This is the part where the user is convinced to continue using the site longer than 1 or 2 days after making their account.
These 3 parts come together to form the whole. I don't disagree with you that retention issues could be improved, but in terms of "growth" as it were my point was really about the Acquisition part. Chapo has almost no Acquisition going on.
Retention and Acquisition are coupled. Each person retained is a potential evangelist, and each person driven off is a potential gainsayer.
A bunch of goofballs from the original subreddit didn't mesh well here, for better or ill, and now they're easily found typical diaspora haunts, and when a potential proponent of this site talks it up, it gets criticized.
I've been monitoring redditsearch.io results for this website since it got launched, and typically, any positive mention is quickly met with a criticism, justified or not.
I agree that they're coupled but only in so much as for every 1000 users you might find 1 or 2 that perform more Acquisition regularly. Where do you see the criticisms? I might need to go hunting and collating that information into something useable and useful to look at and suggest changes. In every instance where I have done advertising for the site I've not seen it a single time other than chuds doing their whole "lol chapotards" shtick. Getting site critique when mentioning the site is not really my experience. Maybe once or twice in Discord but those people were literally repeating wrecker stuff and clearly had come into contact with wreckers spreading bs.
That's our public image? Is 90% of it wrecker shit? Sure; but a new potential user doesn't know that.
Take for example Raddle. Now I don't know anything about Raddle. But I've never been tempted to check it out because anytime it gets mentioned it devolves into two people yelling at each other. That might not be fair to the hard-working Raddle team, but what can you do.
Hmm. This seems grossly incomplete. It doesn't include anything I've posted, even when I adjust the search for more specific words I use when advertising it doesn't include most of my posts... Strange. This version lets you search specific authors btw: https://camas.github.io/reddit-search/
The version you linked used to let you search by author but removed the functionality at reddit's request.
I don't know what could be going on; the most recent results on both of them seem to match up to me. I'm familiar with both of them and to my knowledge they pull from the same database.
Interesting. It should show up for the full URL too. It seems just a little bit scuffed. It's interesting that it's missing some of these comments because they're extremely high-value ones stickied to major threads that are reaching /r/all.
These threads are mainly responsible for all the libs here lately. You're welcome. :che-smile:
I wouldn't read too much into it, especially if explicit chapo.chat mentions seem to be coming through just fine. Suvivorship bias being what it is though, you might want to start including the full name as a test when you post adverts.
I wouldn't do adverts at all though, but that's just me.
The adverts will continue until the libs learn. Either way they've been extremely useful in signalling to the socialist community on reddit that TRCM is a space for them. The discussions there shunted leftward by a huge margin in just a couple of weeks of ideological brute force, stickying propaganda and banning the shit out of everyone that complains has been highly effective with only a very marginal reduction in activity and no effect whatsoever on the position the subreddit reaches on /r/all.
If I ever manage to get into a sub with 500k+ or even any of the subs with 1m+ subscribers they will become mass radicalisation weapons.
No I mean I'm huge lib the issue isn't with bringing libs here, the issue is that concerted advertising (as opposed to organic word of mouth) implies that people are taking this site seriously, which makes it undesirable.
I recall having seen Raddle adverts back in the day.
I don't think that's an issue among the kind of soft left trcm has. They're bernie and aoc people at best not the hardened 90s kids with nihilist attitudes that immediately drop anything whenever other people think they're popular or being taken seriously. I agree with that attitude to harder leftist spaces though.
This is why we're not growing, but not for the reasons you think.
Do you want to expand on that or just sit in the peanut gallery claiming to have the answers while not being forthcoming with them?
You've done it again!
Very helpful.
In short, posting here can seem a lot like work. There's an expectation of work, or needing to read the right theory or perform the proper amount of self-crit and just a high level of needing to justify one's continued presence on the website to other users.
The audience for such things is a lot smaller than low-effort nonsense. That's fine; higher demand activities have necessarily smaller audiences.
That's a fair criticism for the retention side. I don't disagree that retention can be improved and that some element of user-fatigue due to over-expectations of their leftist credentials and self-improvement might be playing a role in that.
What you must understand however is that growth on a site like this is actually made up of 3 parts:
Acquisition - This is the part where we get users to come here from somewhere else, but before they have made an account.
Conversion - This is the part where the user is convinced to actually make an account.
Retention - This is the part where the user is convinced to continue using the site longer than 1 or 2 days after making their account.
These 3 parts come together to form the whole. I don't disagree with you that retention issues could be improved, but in terms of "growth" as it were my point was really about the Acquisition part. Chapo has almost no Acquisition going on.
Retention and Acquisition are coupled. Each person retained is a potential evangelist, and each person driven off is a potential gainsayer.
A bunch of goofballs from the original subreddit didn't mesh well here, for better or ill, and now they're easily found typical diaspora haunts, and when a potential proponent of this site talks it up, it gets criticized.
I've been monitoring redditsearch.io results for this website since it got launched, and typically, any positive mention is quickly met with a criticism, justified or not.
I agree that they're coupled but only in so much as for every 1000 users you might find 1 or 2 that perform more Acquisition regularly. Where do you see the criticisms? I might need to go hunting and collating that information into something useable and useful to look at and suggest changes. In every instance where I have done advertising for the site I've not seen it a single time other than chuds doing their whole "lol chapotards" shtick. Getting site critique when mentioning the site is not really my experience. Maybe once or twice in Discord but those people were literally repeating wrecker stuff and clearly had come into contact with wreckers spreading bs.
Just look through here.
That's our public image? Is 90% of it wrecker shit? Sure; but a new potential user doesn't know that.
Take for example Raddle. Now I don't know anything about Raddle. But I've never been tempted to check it out because anytime it gets mentioned it devolves into two people yelling at each other. That might not be fair to the hard-working Raddle team, but what can you do.
Hmm. This seems grossly incomplete. It doesn't include anything I've posted, even when I adjust the search for more specific words I use when advertising it doesn't include most of my posts... Strange. This version lets you search specific authors btw: https://camas.github.io/reddit-search/
The version you linked used to let you search by author but removed the functionality at reddit's request.
I don't know what could be going on; the most recent results on both of them seem to match up to me. I'm familiar with both of them and to my knowledge they pull from the same database.
Oh yeah they'll definitely match up, they both use pushshift, it's the same database. What I'm getting at is that it's incomplete.
Do you see these posts in there? I don't. Even when I explicitly change it to "chacha". Some content just appears to be not getting picked up at all.
https://www.reddit.com/r/TheRightCantMeme/comments/lw4mtt/whats_funny_is_literally_the_only_people_ive_seen/gphgovh/
https://www.reddit.com/r/TheRightCantMeme/comments/lva84r/weird_problem/gpcxtwi/
https://www.reddit.com/r/TheRightCantMeme/comments/luer1l/checkmate/gp8cbpf/
Somethings funky with the "chacha" results in general; a bunch of mentions on some days, but with large gaps of no mentions over several days. . Not sure if the term is so generic that there's just too many of them to index all of them or what.
Interesting. It should show up for the full URL too. It seems just a little bit scuffed. It's interesting that it's missing some of these comments because they're extremely high-value ones stickied to major threads that are reaching /r/all.
These threads are mainly responsible for all the libs here lately. You're welcome. :che-smile:
I wouldn't read too much into it, especially if explicit chapo.chat mentions seem to be coming through just fine. Suvivorship bias being what it is though, you might want to start including the full name as a test when you post adverts.
I wouldn't do adverts at all though, but that's just me.
The adverts will continue until the libs learn. Either way they've been extremely useful in signalling to the socialist community on reddit that TRCM is a space for them. The discussions there shunted leftward by a huge margin in just a couple of weeks of ideological brute force, stickying propaganda and banning the shit out of everyone that complains has been highly effective with only a very marginal reduction in activity and no effect whatsoever on the position the subreddit reaches on /r/all.
If I ever manage to get into a sub with 500k+ or even any of the subs with 1m+ subscribers they will become mass radicalisation weapons.
No I mean I'm huge lib the issue isn't with bringing libs here, the issue is that concerted advertising (as opposed to organic word of mouth) implies that people are taking this site seriously, which makes it undesirable.
I recall having seen Raddle adverts back in the day.
I don't think that's an issue among the kind of soft left trcm has. They're bernie and aoc people at best not the hardened 90s kids with nihilist attitudes that immediately drop anything whenever other people think they're popular or being taken seriously. I agree with that attitude to harder leftist spaces though.
As always, my solution is the same; acknowledge the Chinese finger trap nature of the problem, open a few pints, and just try to have fun.
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