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  • a_blanqui_slate [none/use name, any]
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    4 years ago

    Liking China isn't anti-imperialism.

    Look the point is this struggle isn't any different from any other topic controversial in leftist spaces.

    • howdyoudoo [comrade/them]
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      4 years ago

      but you're wrong, the struggle is inherently different.

      it's literally material conditions.

      Liking China isn't material. Being vegan is. Material > all.

        • howdyoudoo [comrade/them]
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          4 years ago

          Minutiae. But fine I'll change my comment.

          anti-imperialism = a change in thinking

          veganism = a change in thinking, + a change in diet, + other stuff (leather, wool, etc)

          • a_blanqui_slate [none/use name, any]
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            4 years ago

            Anti-imperialism also requires a change in actions as well. You seem to be hung up more on changing consumption habits. Which are distinct but I'm not convinced meaningfully when it comes to struggle sessions.

            • howdyoudoo [comrade/them]
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              4 years ago

              Anti-imperialism doesn't require a total and measurable discrete change in action.
              Veganism does.

              Everyone can claim to be Anti-imperialist in some sense, the borders have no definition.
              Veganism, not so

              therefore it is easier to be anti-imperialist than vegan.

              You seem to be hung up more on changing consumption habits.

              because that is a requirement for being vegan.

              • a_blanqui_slate [none/use name, any]
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                4 years ago

                And your position is that this struggle session is different at a fundamental level because it's harder to not buy cheese than a SodaStream?

                • howdyoudoo [comrade/them]
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                  4 years ago

                  veganism doesn't just require forgoing cheese, but all animal products. And cheese is a much broader category than "a sodastream", so yes.

                  anti-imperialism requires....??? Nobody fuckin' knows because there's no threshold for what constitutes anti-imperialism and what doesn't. Obviously EVERYBODY supports imperialistic businesses in some form or another, just by paying taxes to the US you are supporting imperialism.

                  So whatever the "threshold" of anti-imperialism is, it's nowhere near absolute, because if it was then literally nobody would be an anti-imperialist. Veganism is well defined and absolute.