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  • howdyoudoo [comrade/them]
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    4 years ago

    veganism doesn't just require forgoing cheese, but all animal products. And cheese is a much broader category than "a sodastream", so yes.

    anti-imperialism requires....??? Nobody fuckin' knows because there's no threshold for what constitutes anti-imperialism and what doesn't. Obviously EVERYBODY supports imperialistic businesses in some form or another, just by paying taxes to the US you are supporting imperialism.

    So whatever the "threshold" of anti-imperialism is, it's nowhere near absolute, because if it was then literally nobody would be an anti-imperialist. Veganism is well defined and absolute.

      • howdyoudoo [comrade/them]
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        4 years ago

        I never said that. I'm not vegan. I support eating less meat though, and if someone can make veganism work for them that's good

        • a_blanqui_slate [none/use name, any]
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          4 years ago

          I still don't see at all how that makes this struggle session any different in any meaningful way. I don't eat any meat, but I'm not vegan because I don't think that "eating meat is bad" is a universal moral truth.

          If I thought that, I'd be a vegan.

          • howdyoudoo [comrade/them]
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            4 years ago

            If I thought that, I’d be a vegan.

            Again:

            to be a vegan you have to think something AND do something to totality
            to be an anti-imperialist you have to just think something, maybe halfassedly do something

            that's why veganism inherently is more limiting and less popular even among leftists, and probably even on this site.
            If you want, you can take a poll, and I'll quote your OP that triggered this debate:

            This is the same reason people throw shitfits about China, totalitarianism, market socialism, or anything else.

            based on that:
            "what % of chapos have a favorable view of China, and/or think it's severely mistreated by western media"
            and
            "what % of chapos are vegan"

            My guess is the former far outpaces the latter

            • a_blanqui_slate [none/use name, any]
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              4 years ago

              to be an anti-imperialist you have to just think something

              I don't anyone except you would sign onto a notion of anti-imperialism that doesn't involve "doing something", it might be more ill-defined than veganism, but it's not like there aren't disagreements between vegans about whats allowed (wool? honey? bee-pollinated fruit?).

              My guess is the former far outpaces the latter

              Different size camps don't a different struggle session make.

              • howdyoudoo [comrade/them]
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                4 years ago

                it might be more ill-defined than veganism

                if it's more ill-defined, then it's easier to be one. That's the entire point.

                • a_blanqui_slate [none/use name, any]
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                  4 years ago

                  It's easier for me to not eat meat (which is something I already do for reasons of convenience) that it is for me to think something I don't think.