We have to do it. Some of us have to do it in different ways. Doing small things where you can is all well and good but literally none of us are making a single impact in capitalism by making different choices about how we're forced to participate in it. Focus on tearing it down together rather than picking apart individual choices because those individual choices still result in participating in capitalism.
Meanwhile you're over here actively trying to exclude me and others from action that actually matters because I'm not doing action that doesn't matter. Leftists need to stick together and organize together because "just don't buy it then" does not and will not even remotely harm the interests of capital.
The problem is capitalism. It's not meat eaters or plastic users or tax payers. The sooner folks of ALL walks stop trying to exclude people from the movement the sooner we can actually have a movement. Meanwhile you're doing a tiny thing that makes 0 actual difference and claiming that we are horrible horrible people doing something else. It's counter productive. It does nothing. Why do it except because you don't actually care about tearing down capitalism?
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I won't say that I don't give a shit about animals. I was vegetarian for like a year but guess what? Fucking capitalism happened and now I'm not anymore. This is what I'm talking about. You are just flying in here and everywhere passing judgement on people you don't know for something that literally does not further the goal of "remove capitalism". It's frankly disgusting. You don't know me. You don't know anyone or any of the circumstances around the people you're shouting at. You have no idea what my circumstances are. You have no idea what you're saying other than "I'm better than you because I don't participate in one tiny piece of capitalism and I don't care about the rest." It's ridiculous. It's the same shit libs do when they say things like 'Voting for Biden is the lesser evil!' and then they do literally nothing else for 4 years. That's you. Right now.
Go organize instead of trying to tear a community apart
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I didn't make a big show of it. I didn't even reference animal products at all; you brought this up, presumably as an example of how I'm wrong, and then flew off the handle immediately when I went to defend my initial statement of "this kind of bullshit is counter productive".
And that's why it's counter productive. So I guess thank you for popping in and immediately proving my point?
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It's the circle of lib honestly. There's nothing more lib than saying "I'm doing one thing, therefore I'm better than you and don't have to do anything else". And as is customary of libs, when someone calls them out on "hey, that's just being a lib and isn't useful, let's try doing something useful instead", they get mad and say "no actually YOU'RE the lib!"
Seriously, go do something that matters. Annoying people online because they can't or won't or don't fall into your perfect ideal vision of what leftism is doesn't do anything.
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Not to butt in here but yesterday's dogposting triggered a couple animal ethics questions in my head. Like, assuming it's not against your religion (Jews, Muslims, and I THINK Christians but I'm not sure), is there a problem eating wild animals that died on their own? Also, it is my understanding that the issue with eating eggs is the circumstances in which the eggs are produced, so if I personally got some chickens that would have been used to produce eggs in a factory and kept them on my property to roam about freely and safely, would it be ok for me to eat their eggs? At that point the chickens are living with basically their maximum potential autonomy short of being able to wander around in the woods with no food, and they're gonna lay the eggs anyways, so why not eat the eggs? I get that the fact we have bred chickens to produce eggs in this manner is itself unethical, but now there are chickens that will be producing eggs whether we like it or not, so if the chickens are in a position where their egg laying is not exploited (i.e. they can do whatever they want, if they stop laying eggs it's fine but if they lay eggs that's cool) is there still an ethical dilemma? And if we wanted to stop egg production entirely, wouldn't that require us to kill off all chickens either directly or through forced defertilization? Additionally, if we were to let all chickens free and voluntarily stop eating them or their eggs, where would they go? That last one isn't an argument against veganism persay, I'm just curious about the practical aspects. Like what habitat can chickens live in? I know they came from forests in South East Asia but now I can't imagine where they'd survive. I'm sure they'd survive somewhere. Great Plains maybe? Majestic herds of chickens galloping across the plains with the sun shining over them?
It is unfortunately true that domestication and selective breeding has made it so many of these species are reliant on human intervention for continued survival
Eating a wild animal that died on it's own would be vegan yes but I'll give you a heads up that questions like that don't tend to go down pretty well with vegans cuz it comes across as a gotcha and they get that a lot. Like is the practical implication there that there are people that would go vegan if only they could eat roadkill? I'm sure you don't intend it to come across that way but I thought I'd let you know.
As for eggs, while keeping your own chickens is better than battery farming it's still problematic. Hens don't naturally produce the insane number of eggs that we're used to. A wild chicken will generally produce 12-20 eggs a year similar to how a woman has a period but when a hen's eggs are taken away from them they instinctively produce more leading to the hundreds per year that battery hens lay. Laying eggs uses a lot of calcium for the shell so forcing them to lay way more than they're naturally used to is very bad for them. Normally a chicken will eat it's own eggs to replenish the nutrients lost during laying so by taking the eggs of your backyard chicken you're forcing it lay more eggs than it should and denying it the nutrients to sustain itself.
Your point about stopping egg production entirely is on the assumption that we're able to stop it overnight which no vegan is naive enough to think. The veganisation of society is something that will happen gradually over many years so there is no worry of some overnight chicken re-wilding that must happen.
As for the last point there are wild chickens in the world atm and it's very unlikely to be the case that battery chickens will all be released into the wild they will just be bred less and less for exploitation.
you: a sectarian
"i am correct and cannot empathize with your position and refuse to try"