We have to do it. Some of us have to do it in different ways. Doing small things where you can is all well and good but literally none of us are making a single impact in capitalism by making different choices about how we're forced to participate in it. Focus on tearing it down together rather than picking apart individual choices because those individual choices still result in participating in capitalism.

  • Lord_ofThe_FLIES [he/him]
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    3 years ago

    I think veganism is very comparable to the ‘don’t buy fast fashion’ argument. For some people, it is extremely doable. It will cost more

    That's what you wrote. Veganism can be expensive, so can carnism. Veganism can be as cheap or even cheaper than carnism. You are giving excuses to not be vegan, bad ones at that. I've heard them all, there's no good ones. There's reasons not to be vegan, which usually come back to it being easy and common.

    • rozako [she/her]
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      3 years ago

      This is getting back to my point about no one being nuanced. “hey, maybe some products are more expensive, but that’s capitalism for ya! may take more time to learn about which brands are less expensive, but it’s doable if people have the time to put in! though not everyone does, but isn’t our goal to one day live in a world where no one is overworked so much to not be able to have the time to actually understand and research what they’re putting into their bodies?” this just is how i’d go about it, personally...

      • Lord_ofThe_FLIES [he/him]
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        3 years ago

        you know why they're called baby steps? Because they're like stepping on babies. If you give carnists any reason not to be vegan, any excuse, how flimsy it might be, most of them will use it to not do absolutely anything.

        I'm sorry if I come over jaded or pissed, but I've heard all of the excuses everyday for years. Why would I listen to a non-vegan on how to spread veganism? if you wanted me to succeed you'd be vegan yourself.

        • rozako [she/her]
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          3 years ago

          Said this to another commenter here, but I never said I wasn’t vegan myself. People of the same ideology can — and should — criticize each other too.

          • Lord_ofThe_FLIES [he/him]
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            3 years ago

            You being vegan makes carrying water for carnists worse, not better. Bully them if you want to help them, coddling them won't change their mind

            • rozako [she/her]
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              3 years ago

              going back to my original point: “But everyone here will just continue to get mad at each other for each’s own personal choices instead of working to better themselves, because superiority (on both sides) feels the best.”

          • AlexisOhanian [he/him]
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            3 years ago

            Then you're doing apologia for people you know do be doing something ethically wrong, which is about the most liberal thing I can think of.