• Buying fur/leather secondhand
  • Repurposing secondhand/garbage animal products (like an old leather jacket or boots that are gonna be thrown away and making like a belt or wallet?
  • Harvesting or using already dead animal products (like the fur from roadkill)
  • Wool? Specifically wool from sources that you know treat the animals well?
  • and this one is eating but is honey vegan? and if so why is honey vegan but wool from good sources different?

edit: pretty pls no struggle session I'm just curious to hear from people none of this is supposed to be a gotcha or anything

    • jack [he/him, comrade/them]M
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      4 years ago

      It's an animal product. You are an exploiting an animal for something that comes from its body. Not that different from milk or eggs.

    • gordon [they/them]
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      4 years ago

      because it implies to keep sheep, breed them, genetically select them to produce an unhealthy amount of wool. It is animal exploitation. They don’t give consent, it doesn’t benefit them (you could say that they need to be sheared, but it’s because of that selective breeding)

      • YourBestComrade [he/him,none/use name]
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        4 years ago

        huh, I never thought of it in that way. I just thought it was solely beneficial to the sheep since they need to be sheared, but it never crossed my mind it was because humans had bred them to be that way

      • 420sixtynine [any,comrade/them]
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        4 years ago

        it doesn’t benefit them

        idk if I were a sheep I'd definitely prefer being captive bred in an ethical scenario (as in sufficient space, good food, etc) over being wild. in captivity you get food, security from predators, medicine. The wilderness is hell

        • Wasabi_witch [any]
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          4 years ago

          It's not one or the other. Either "sheep" (or whatever other herbivore you're substituting here) lives in nature, breeds, dies, et cetera, or the herbivores die in nature and we exploit them needlessly.

        • gordon [they/them]
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          4 years ago

          yeah, the fact is that sheep can’t actually consent, so we haven’t the right to decide for them that imprisonment is what they’d choose

        • emily [she/her,they/them]
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          4 years ago

          yeah but that's a slippery slope to go down. you could say the same thing for cows, for example. but at the end of the day, it's a) not true, because it implies exploitation and abuse, and b) it's not our place to decide what is best for another sentient being