https://twitter.com/unitedworkersoc/status/1371531488450207749

  • hogposting [he/him,comrade/them]
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    4 years ago

    But we've tried the small party thing for decades now. It hasn't worked, and it hasn't produced much of anything. It didn't even get large numbers of people talking about socialism, which is a significant step in a country so diametrically opposed to it. The Bernie campaigns at least did that, and at least generated some concrete policy proposals you can bring up and get taken seriously.

    Medicare for All isn't going to cut it, but that's not the end goal. That's an immediate goal, and building a mass movement around that might offer a path to bigger goals.

    • EthicalHumanMeat [he/him]
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      4 years ago

      But we’ve tried the small party thing for decades now.

      Nobody is consciously setting out to keep their parties small.

      It hasn’t worked, and it hasn’t produced much of anything.

      Nothing's worked in the US, and "small parties" isn't a strategy; the question should be how to make socialist parties bigger, because that's the only thing that's worked anywhere in history, and it's worked for entire countries.

      That’s an immediate goal, and building a mass movement around that might offer a path to bigger goals.

      Building a mass movement around a liberal reform that most of the world already has won't bring us even remotely closer to achieving socialism.

      • hogposting [he/him,comrade/them]
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        4 years ago

        The PSL, for instance, has a higher bar to entry than the DSA. That's a conscious decision to have a smaller number of members in exchange for more vetting. One easy way to help your socialist party grow is to not require interviews.

        Building a mass movement around a liberal reform that most of the world already has won’t bring us even remotely closer to achieving socialism.

        It absolutely will in a country as right wing as the U.S.

        • EthicalHumanMeat [he/him]
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          4 years ago

          The PSL, for instance, has a higher bar to entry than the DSA. That’s a conscious decision to have a smaller number of members in exchange for more vetting. One easy way to help your socialist party grow is to not require interviews.

          They do that to keep cops, reactionaries, wreckers, and assholes out and to maintain ideological consistency, which is actually important if you want an effective party. A bigger party isn't necessarily a better one. (Note: This doesn't mean that the goal is to keep the party small. It means that the goal is to hold all members of the party to a consistent set of personal and ideological standards, which an org can't do if it's indiscriminate about who it lets in. See: landlords in DSA. [Not that I'm even anti-DSA per se.]) Again, this is what historically successful parties have done. Doing away with ideological standards is not a shortcut to communism.

          It absolutely will in a country as right wing as the U.S.

          How? By what process? Europe is absolutely no closer to revolution now that they have universal healthcare programs.

          • hogposting [he/him,comrade/them]
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            4 years ago

            They do that to keep cops, reactionaries, wreckers, and assholes out and to maintain ideological consistency, which is actually important if you want an effective party.

            Yes, it's a conscious decision to trade size for all of these benefits. But a party the size of the PSL is ineffective by default; they've struck the wrong balance.

            How? By what process?

            Demonstrating that mass collective action can produce material improvements could catalyze bigger changes in the same direction. There's also the idea that taking the boot off the neck of workers, at least a little bit, can make non-electoral strategies easier.