In light of the shooting in Atlanta, I keep going back to Felix's commentary from the "Run Hide Fight" review episode.

His basic premise was, our mass shooting culture is a byproduct of our dominant ethos of empire. The idea that you can just kill a bunch of people in a foreign country and most people are okay with it, and if you participated in it, you can even be celebrated. All of it cheapens the value of human life. It's specifically become more of an issue as we've increasingly outsourced our wars and the people who fight in them, rendering the Empire more and more invisible. Just because it's invisible doesn't mean that ethos goes away, but it's actually turned against our own people.

I always though that was a really good explanation, but I would love to hear some of you expand on the idea or hear your own theories.

  • thethirdgracchi [he/him, they/them]
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    In the wake of the Neoliberal proclamation of the end of class struggle, the only social categories remaining are winner and loser. No more capitalists and workers; no more exploiters and exploited. Either you are strong and smart, or you deserve your misery. The establishment of capitalist absolutism is based on the mass adhesion...to the philosophy of natural selection. The mass murderer is someone who believes in the right of the fittest and the strongest to win in the social game, but he also knows or senses that he is not the fittest or the strongest. So he opts for the only possible act of retaliation and self assertion: to kill and be killed.

    From Bifo's Heroes: Mass Murder and Suicide. Awesome study of this exact phenomenon by a well renowned Italian Marxist, I highly recommend it. Takes the standard Marixst critique of late capitalism/neoliberalism and extends it to the mass shooting headlines. The book is extremely bleak in its conclusions (a preview: "Now, it is finally crystal clear: resistance is over. Capitalist absolution will not be defeated and democracy will never be reinstated. That game is over.") but is very insightful into getting into the minds of these mass killers and examining the phenomenon through a Marxist lens.

    • SorosFootSoldier [he/him, they/them]
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      In the wake of the Neoliberal proclamation of the end of class struggle, the only social categories remaining are winner and loser. No more capitalists and workers; no more exploiters and exploited. Either you are strong and smart, or you deserve your misery. The establishment of capitalist absolutism is based on the mass adhesion…to the philosophy of natural selection. The mass murderer is someone who believes in the right of the fittest and the strongest to win in the social game, but he also knows or senses that he is not the fittest or the strongest. So he opts for the only possible act of retaliation and self assertion: to kill and be killed.

      This is beautifully put and pretty much exactly what I've been thinking. It's no wonder the columbine kids wore t-shirts that said natural selection.

  • aaaaaaadjsf [he/him, comrade/them]
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    There are literally more guns than people in the USA. Combine that and neoliberal rule with imperialism starting to be turned inwards and you get mass shootings.

  • Falco [he/him,they/them]
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    The media loves the spectacle. They love to see the little people turning against one another. And they love to see all the profit they can make reporting on and glorifying the shooters. It's no surprise that the media themselves are the ones who push these shooters to take up arms with their fearmongering, race baiting, and targeting of those who are at their lowest with rancid hateful lies.

    Stochastic terrorism is anything but stochastic. It is highly intentional terror that is no different from the racist police forces that terrorize communities. It's all intentionally utilized to keep the public scared and demoralized while the victims end up dehumanized or dead.

    And so, mass shootings keep happening in the US because they are useful for the American establishment and ruling class. And they will keep happening as long as they have said utility.

    • dave297 [none/use name]
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      I think the whole rational consumer myth does distract from how much humans are motivated by a desire for attention

      • SorosFootSoldier [he/him, they/them]
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        I mean, the way I see it, neoliberalism is just socially acceptable fascism or fascism with a friendly face. When you have fascism at home and imperialism abroad, you get a society where life is cheap and everyone is pitted against one another under the boot of capital. So it's no surprise to me that people snap, especially young white men from the suburbs who get radicalized off the internet and are socially isolated and raised in a toxic environment of suburban paranoia.

        • Terkrockerfeller [she/her]
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          And don't forget the abundance of guns, but I guess that's more the reason we have mass shootings rather than stabbings or some other form of violence

  • Elon_Musk [none/use name]
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    Proliferation of guns, lack of mental healthcare, constant exploitation and consumerism, lack of education and empathy, etc

  • Elon_Musk [none/use name]
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    Proliferation of guns, lack of mental healthcare, and constant exploitation.

  • QuillQuote [they/them]
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    Isolation, atomization, crushing emptyness of 'modern life' and lots a guns

  • MarxNAngels [none/use name]
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    but there are a number of imperialist/post-imperialist nations which, i imagine, do not have the kind of mass shooting violence which america has. i think a better explanation would take into account this american peculiarity-- this could be as simple as access to firearms, and/or that the american commitment to individualism/against the welfare state perpetuates even greater anomie/individual detachement, which there manifests from time-to-time as shooters.

    a better explanation would also take into account shooter data across countries, as well as an inventory of other kinds of similar, stochastic but not with handguns violence, as well as some kind of quantitative measure of what we might expect to be influencing factors.