My false-meat empanadas are the best.

Try using 50/50 minced meat/TVP and you won't notice the difference. I don't know how it behaves when doing meatballs or hamburguers, it probably crumbles if you don't add something else, but idk.

  • Bluemaga [none/use name]
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    4 years ago

    It's cheap cuz it's a giant mono crop spayed with tons of pesticides.

    If your vegan and a huge part of your diet is soy you arnt really doing much from a climate change aspect.

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      1 year ago

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      • Bluemaga [none/use name]
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        4 years ago

        No idea what that is

        Ag in America is 20% of carbon. Vast majority of that is for corn and soy. Methane is 50% that is mostly ranching.

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          • Bluemaga [none/use name]
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            4 years ago

            Ah yeah.

            I eat local pork mostly. I don't touch beef die to my dislike of ranching practices.

            Also have my own farm. Also avoid soy due to gmo and estrogen.

            • thisismyrealname [he/him]
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              4 years ago

              you're thinking of phytoestrogens, and there isn't any conclusive scientific evidence that they act like estrogen in your body. milk (and meat too iirc) have actual estrogen, which does actually affect you

              • Bluemaga [none/use name]
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                4 years ago

                Yeah I mean the main reason I don't eat soy is becuase I don't like factory farming.

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                  • Bluemaga [none/use name]
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                    4 years ago

                    To be honest. That's a myth.

                    If you actually care about any of this more than just not wanting blood on your hands you'll start supporting local small farms through csa etc. You'll get more food than you know what to do with. Go to a farmers market. Compare prices to the grocery stores. They tend to be pretty close.

                    If your city dweller that just wants to feel good about not having death on their hands than keep living in your dream world that is blood free soy. Also if it's organic soy its going to be grown with animal byproducts that come most likely from factory fa operations. If it's not than it's gmo trash petro fertilizers that's bad for the world in general.

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                      • Bluemaga [none/use name]
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                        4 years ago
                        1. Gmos are bad becuase they are only used to increase profits and get farmers hooked on one source

                        Could they be better to let's say make things grow with ess water. Yes. But they went for $$$. That's why the field is dying.

                        Sorry I have multiple people responding to me hard to keep it straight. I ships Probably get back to work instead of bickering online

        • mars [none/use name]
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          4 years ago

          Worldwide, 80% of soy is fed to livestock. The rest is mostly soybean oil. Soy isn't an issue because of specialty vegan products.

          • Bluemaga [none/use name]
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            4 years ago

            Oh yeah I know that.

            Its just the idea that you are saving animals by participating in factory farms is a bit absurd. Soy and corn harvesting leads to massive wild life death. Along with all the habitat destroyed to keep it going.

            I don't eat beef or soy and really only eat local corn grown on small plots.

            • mars [none/use name]
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              4 years ago

              Again, soy consumption, and the many negatives associated with it, is fueled almost entirely by the growing demand for meat. Not direct human consumption. We could sustainably provide soy for direct human consumption.

      • Bluemaga [none/use name]
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        4 years ago

        All these are estimated lb per acre and USDA data is always on the low side

        Soy. 4000#

        Cabbage 40000#

        Beets no tops 16000-24000

        Kale 10000#

        Carrots 20000#

        Potatoes 10000

        https://nevegetable.org/cultural-practices/table-15-approximate-yields

        Soy is a garbage crop that is only prevalent due to its rotation with corn and that they both come in round up ready and dicamba ready seeds.

          • Bluemaga [none/use name]
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            4 years ago

            It's Calorie per lbs.

            Cabbage can be pickled and fermented which makes it leap past soy on any metric.

            Sorry but I don't care about getting protein from plants.

              • Bluemaga [none/use name]
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                4 years ago

                The guy asked calories per lb. That's what I gave.

                Fermented cabbage can last a long ass time. Most vegetables can be pickled extending their self life into the years. Just raw cabbage stores an okay amount of time. Beets and other roots store for months and months with no processing.

                The web site says yield per acre. Im in the USA. No one is using hectar yield rates.

                This is all easily googled.

                Soy beans are a legume and they all produce around the same lb per acre since they are all in the same family. Other data I saw suggested 5200# a acre. Just keep in mind these are all the low numbers.

                Yes I know Asians eat soy. But they predominantly ate rice and picked vegatables back in the day. I have not looked into tofu but I wouldn't be surprised if it was a high cast diet in the old days.

                Its really nuts to me how much vegans are wrapped up in soy when there are so many other crops to enjoy. But junk food vegan ism is a thing.

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          • Bluemaga [none/use name]
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            4 years ago

            I looked up cabbage. Lake would be hard for to mass weight loss from the stem and depending on harvest some do bunches some do a field cut which is taking all the leaves plus some stalk.

            1lb of cabbage is 189 1lb of soy bean is 350.

            Calories per acre

            Cabbage 7,596,000 Soy. 1,450,000

            There's a reason why brassicas are the predominate crop family.

    • HamidPayaamAbbasi [any,he/him]
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      4 years ago

      I'm vegan so that I'm not paying anyone to stab an animal to death and end their brief torturous life they were bred into for no reason. If it were worse for the climate I'd still do it.

        • HamidPayaamAbbasi [any,he/him]
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          4 years ago

          What the hell do you think they feed animals you eat by the tons? Come on with this you should be embarrassed with yourself for making this point. By eating animals you are feeding 10x that amount of soy, alfalfa, and corn to the animals then murdering them. fuck outta here with this. Not interested in debating with bad faith losers making easily disprovable statements as shitposts. Veganism isn't about not killing any animals ever, its about not

          • Bluemaga [none/use name]
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            4 years ago

            Hey like I said the pork I eat is local and they really don't give them much feed. I know the farmer personally. When I eat beef it's from a ranch that is 100% grass fed that roam mountinous forest. I have small vegatable farm.

            If you are eating soy you are still participating in the death of animals to get the food to your plate. And Eben of none do die in harvest you are still feasting off the left overs from live stock feed.

            I know where and how a vast amount of my food is grown when I'm cooking it.

            Going out to eat is differnt. But many of the places I eat are very local centric.

    • RNAi [he/him]
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      4 years ago

      Ah, I get it. It's a good first step, no ethical consumption under capitalism, etc.

      It also helps my country pay it's enormous spurious debt and most importantly enlarge the Panama accounts of local agro-oligarchs.