Vegan meat substitutes are morally wrong. It is like providing a serial killer with synthetic victims instead of just quitting murder altogether.
End this culture of meat necessity!
You could point out how this is wrong rather than just LARP'ing a 4channer.
No other form of barbarity is eased by allowing 'synthetic' barbarity. All that does is reinforce the psychological need.
So again, why is fake meat an exception? How will it not simply prolong our culture's dependency on meat?
LARP’ing
larping is an in-person activity
on the internet it would just be RPingDang you're right.
I will try to RP someone who knows their internet lingo better from now on.
@chamomile I really don't think Bunhead should have been banned for this, the modlog says Rule 2, but they're joking here.
This isn't omni apologia or carnist apologia., it's a defense of plant-based meat alternatives being a good and ethical thing.
I wasn't sure which felt more Rule 2 so I initially assumed the other one, but then switched to this one. Thank you <3
It just sort of squicks me out. If meat is animal murder, faux meat is.. performative animal murder? Like, it's not even animal flesh. Just 'pretend' animal flesh, to help them to get to eat vegetables for once.
If it really helps create vegans though, it may be a necessary evil.
Is plant milk "performative animal cruelty" to you as well? That's an interesting outlook, and I get feeling uneasy when eating something that seems so close to the meat or animal derivative you've grown to find disgusting, but that doesn't make them equal.
The concept of lab grown meat disgusts me as well, but if it doesn't actually involve the harm of any sentient being I can acknowledge there's nothing wrong with it.
...what? you're aware synthetic meat isnt conscious right?
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"While Nabisco’s recipe is free of animal ingredients, Cole & Stewart’s sociological analysis would suggest that consuming animal crackers is ritualistically anti-vegan, as it socializes speciesist sentiments and human supremacy in children."
http://www.coreyleewrenn.com/are_animal_crackers_vegan/
What about when kids eat candy shaped like scooby doo or spongebob characters? I don't really know if animal crackers would really apply here, they're mostly cartoon depictions of animals that kids play with
THANK YOU
one of the rare few who actually engaged with the thought behind this post
What would be a synthetic victim in your example? A non-sentient mannequin or something?
Perhaps? The lack of examples is sort of my point.
No other societal maladaptation is treated by massaging it.
What about when drug abuse is treated by giving the patient drugs? (e.g.: heroin prescription)
Anyway, fake meat is just plants shaped and transformed differently. There is so synthetic victim. There is no synthetic cow being fake-killed. Vegans only object to the eating part because of the whole producing part. The act of eating has no direct victim.
Drugs have actual withdrawals, which is a medical issue.
And the 'fake meat' keeps people thinking about meat. It keeps meat culturally relevant and as something 'legitimate'.
I want to totally delegitimize meat. It is morally wrong. The very concept is evil.
What exactly do you mean by fake meat? Is seitan shaped like a cylinder (sausage) bad?
The meat meant to strictly substitute. Like fake ground beef, etc.
Fake sausage casing maybe fits under that but I'm not sure if people use that as a replacement for animal parts, tbh, even if they strictly are in a literal sense.
Ok I think I understand. Stuff like vegan nuggets would be included in that then.
Why is it that meat gets a monopoly on basic shapes? Why can't you make a vegan product in the form of a disk or a cylinder or strips or a minced rectangle etc. without it being compared to meat?
Are potato patties fake meat? What makes soy-based burgers different from potato patties?
So wait, do you think vegan cheese or beyond beef burgers are somehow meat necessity or is this an anti-labgrown meat post?
The Beyond Beef, etc. are literally attempting to emulate animal flesh. It's just.. fucking weird.
If you are onboard with avoiding meat because it's immoral, why would people want fake corpses to replace it?
Just eat a vegetable ffs.
Because its not actually meat you dummy.
If someone wanted to stab a mannequin all day to alleviate their urge to stab people, fine I guess?
A little weird but literally not hurting anyone.
You must agree though, the guy would still be thinking about stabbing.
That texture do be good tho...
Best part of tofu is that foamy feeling.
No position on the take but I am enjoying the sci-fi/reality-TV potential of this 'synths for serial-killers' concept
I would not say it is immoral, but definitely weird. I started experimemting with faux-meat a few months after going vegan and I was just grossed out by them so I avoid them, especially since they are far from necessary. The only one I eat is TVP from time to time, and I do not know if that counts. They are however a great tool to show the omni's they won't crumble into dust because their meal did not contain corpse pieces.
They're a false solution to animal suffering when the real answer is to end factory farming entirely, and eat more things that use less meat. It's not like they're insidious or harmful though.
