Hi! I've been thinking about going vegan or vegetarian for a while, mostly for health reasons. I knew that the meat industry was bad, but I had no idea how fucking bad it was until I watched some (I have no idea how someone would be able to watch it in its entirety, especially in one sitting) of Dominion.

I also have some basic knowledge of nutrition so I'm not going in blind, but I do have some questions and I'd love to get some input and critique over what I feel like would be staple foods for me.

So, for staple foods I was thinking of: rice, farofa , potatoes, pinto beans, black turtle beans, lentils and chickpeas. I know of seitan and texturized soy, but I'm still looking for places to get them from. Also, every single tofu package I've seen has looked pretty disgusting (like gorgonzola cheese but m o i s t) are the ones I've seen just poorly made or does tofu just look like that? The appearance wouldn't put me off from it, but I'd like to know if it does look like that or if I've just had bad luck.
I think I'd be safe on protein but I haven't done the math yet, if anyone has any suggestions on other protein sources I'd be very glad to hear them.
Almost forgot to ask: should I trust the nutritional information on packaging or publicly available ones on the internet more? The ones on the packaging have much better macros and a lot more protein per 100g than the ones I've seen online. (talking mostly about beans and chickpeas here)

Now, I'm curious if vegan "dairy" products (like vegan butter, vegan cheese) are worth it. I'll probably at least try the cheese, I really like cheese and it'd make sandwiches a lot better. On that note: vegan sandwiches ideas? I guess vegan mayo, lettuce, tomatoes and carrots would be the one I would enjoy the most (without vegan meat), but if anyone has any protein-heavy filling ideas I'm open to hearing about them. I guess learning how to make a burrito would make my life a lot easier as i could just use beans or chickpeas for filling. :bean:

Anything I should that I should look out for that has animal products in it, but you wouldn't think so? I know of gelatin, porcelain and cosmetics/hygiene products, but not much else.

Also, what do you guys do when eating out with omni friends or ordering food with people? Just really plain dishes? Same question goes for traveling to non-metropolitan areas, where vegan restaurants are scarce.

I guess one of the good things about going vegan is it kinda forces you to learn how to cook. Anyways, thank you for reading and thank you to all of you who comment suggestions or critique.

  • booty [he/him]
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    4 years ago

    Now, I’m curious if vegan “dairy” products (like vegan butter, vegan cheese) are worth it

    Opposite of what you implied. Vegan butter is fantastic, works and tastes exactly the same as violence-based butter. Vegan cheese, on the other hand, is disappointing, shit, and expensive. Don't bother.

    • Ganonplorf [he/him,comrade/them]
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      4 years ago

      They don't sell vegan cheese where I live, so I experiment making my own following recipes online. Are they that bad? Is it in comparison to the secretions based ones or are they not even worth anything on their own.

      There is a simple one that imitates ricotta (I think? I only ate Gouda and swiss cheese in my omni days): blend tofu with some nooch and bam, got something to spread on toast.

      • booty [he/him]
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        4 years ago

        Is it in comparison to the secretions based ones or are they not even worth anything on their own.

        Kinda both. I've tried several kinds of vegan cheese and I've yet to find one that isn't bland. They never melt properly either.

        • Ganonplorf [he/him,comrade/them]
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          4 years ago

          Seems like I am not missing much then... I hope things will improve, because I have the time to cook, but a bit convenience would be nice.

    • lilpissbaby [any]
      hexagon
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      4 years ago

      Vegan cheese, on the other hand, is disappointing, shit, and expensive.

      :deeper-sadness:

      to be honest i don't really have too high of expectations, i'm just expecting something salty to add some flavor. does even vegan cheddar taste bad? i feel like cheddar is so processed already that if you took the dairy out you wouldn't lose much, at least in terms of taste.
      i don't plan on eating it by itself either so unless it's really, really unpleasant i shouldn't have too many problems.

      • all_or_nothing [they/them,she/her]
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        4 years ago

        daiya cheddar after you heat it up is at least as edible as kraft singles (as long as you're putting it on something. never eat it on its own)

      • Maaskarpone [they/them]
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        4 years ago

        Make your own vegan cheese! cashews nooch yummy or carrot potatoes or blended cashew cauliflower

        • lilpissbaby [any]
          hexagon
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          4 years ago

          I'd use vegan cheese mostly for snacks and sandwiches, if I had to make the cheese myself every time I'd either wait for a full meal or make one tbh. I'm also a newbie cook, so I'd rather wait a little bit before I try to make more complex stuff.

  • 24324564745364253q49 [they/them]
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    4 years ago

    Anything I should that I should look out for that has animal products in it, but you wouldn’t think so? I know of gelatin, porcelain and cosmetics/hygiene products, but not much else.

    Milk powder is in so many things for no reason, so always check an ingredients list for it.

  • 24324564745364253q49 [they/them]
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    4 years ago

    People generally don't eat tofu out of the package like that, I take a towel and soak the water out, then either fry in oil with stuff like soy sauce and mirin, or soak in a marinade then bake.

    Tofu crumble is a common thing too to mimic a sort of scrambled eggs.

  • vegangobrr [he/him]
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    4 years ago

    The foods you mentioned are good; honestly there are tons of recipes online, if you just search "vegan [insert dish here]" you're bound to find great recipes. For general nutrition, just try to eat a good amount of vegetables/some fruit/whatever protein source and you should be good. A sample, easy dish is a veggie stir fry with tofu.

    As for tofu looking weird, I'm unsure if the packages you're getting are just bad, but compare to online images? A lot of people press out the water and then saute it with whatever and it tastes amazing. Treat it like a sponge of flavor; by itself it's just bland, but it's like a canvas for all types of flavors. A really simple way would be to saute garlic with tofu and at the end drizzle soy sauce over it (not for everyone but i love it).

    You can trust the nutritional info on the packets.

    For vegan sandwiches you can try those tofurky deli slices, they're pretty good. There are some great vegan cheeses out there too, you just have to try some and see what you like. For burritos I love rice and beans so sometimes I just eat them with that, but you could of course saute vegetables in small cubes and put some pepper etc and eat it like that.

    For animal products, the weirdest things have them. Like some chips will randomly have milk for example. Just be on the lookout even if you think an item couldn't possibly have animal products/do animal testing.

    For ordering with omnis, I drag them to vegan restaurants, or if I must, try to go somewhere with vegan options. If you have good friends, they'll understand!

    For some good vegan indian dishes check out veganricha.com, and for general asian dishes I like the channel Yeung Man cooking on youtube. Otherwise just try whatever; go off of what you like in your omni diet and convert those to vegan :).

  • all_or_nothing [they/them,she/her]
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    4 years ago

    Tofu in the store doesn't look too appealing, but once you fry it up it's really good on sandwiches and everything else. What I like to do is slice it thin, fry it with oil until both sides are golden, then sprinkle soy sauce on it and push it around in the pan until it's absorbed plenty of sauce. Takes like five minutes, gives it lots of umami and it goes with anything. I do that with extra firm tofu, not sure other types would stay together.

    Butter is usually pretty good, store bought cheese can be hit or miss. Homemade cheese and cheese sauces are really good but can go through a lot of nuts. Learning to burrito wrap is a really good idea.

    For eating out with friends, it's probably best to be open and ask that when you eat out with them you go to places with vegan options besides plain salad/fries. For travelling, I like happycow.net for finding places with vegan options, even when there aren't necessarily full vegan restaurants. Also good for finding places where you live!

    Gratz on going vegan!

  • 24324564745364253q49 [they/them]
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    4 years ago

    Also congrats on starting Dominion! The most important parts are the major animal ag in the beginning, but then it gets into some less common more specific animals towards the end.

    Definitely watch the whole thing even if it takes a while to get through.

    • lilpissbaby [any]
      hexagon
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      4 years ago

      it's so sad and infuriating though :angery:

      • 24324564745364253q49 [they/them]
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        4 years ago

        It is, but as much as it's given me resolve in being vegan I found it fascinating the extent to which people can dehumanize these animals. The level of machinery we have just for every stage of killing or boiling or shredding a chicken is mind boggling.

        I watched it with someone and being able to react together was cathartic. Would recommend, especially because you have someone to talk about it with after.

  • LangdonAlger [any]
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    4 years ago

    Congration on your new journey. This is for you! I've been veg for 15.5 years and i'm a huge fan of fake meats and don't cook much, so i'm useful for quick veg foods. I've liked everything I've tried from these folks

    Now, I’m curious if vegan “dairy” products (like vegan butter, vegan cheese) are worth it. I’ll probably at least try the cheese, I really like cheese and it’d make sandwiches a lot better. On that note: vegan sandwiches ideas? I guess vegan mayo, lettuce, tomatoes and carrots would be the one I would enjoy the most (without vegan meat), but if anyone has any protein-heavy filling ideas I’m open to hearing about them. I guess learning how to make a burrito would make my life a lot easier as i could just use beans or chickpeas for filling

    Earth Balance is a good butter replacement. Violife and Follow Your Heart are good vegan cheeses (FYH goes great melted on a burger, Violife is all around solid). Tofurky is a great sandwich filler but isn't great on it's own, it tastes like wet cardboard in a literal sense; one of those "sandwich dressings" with oil/vinegar/spices will help if you're trying to make deli sandwiches. The Trader Joe's baked seasoned tofus (in the vacuum pack, so you don't have to drain them) sliced thin make good protein for sandos. Hummus, too.

    Anything I should that I should look out for that has animal products in it, but you wouldn’t think so? I know of gelatin, porcelain and cosmetics/hygiene products, but not much else.

    i was told that "Datem" (often found in bread) isn't vegan, but i just googled it, and it is. Someone also told me that "Dextrose" in BBQ Lays isn't vegan, but they're wrong, too. Honey is often found in bread, so ask yourself if you care about that.

    Also, what do you guys do when eating out with omni friends or ordering food with people? Just really plain dishes? Same question goes for traveling to non-metropolitan areas, where vegan restaurants are scarce.

    Pizza place: breadsticks and marinara are usually possible, or a salad (just double check things like cheese sprinkling etc) Burger place: veggie burgers are more popular than ever. Carls Jr and Burger King both have vegetarian (vegan?) burgers, Taco Bell is expanding its Veg menu, Subway has a few options already (the Veggie Patty is underrated), Chipotle is easy, lots of asian places have a tofu option, Italian places should be able to do a pasta + marinara or pasta + olive oil type option, Mexican places can be hit or miss because both refried beans and rice MAY be made with lard and chicken stock, respectively, so you may need toask. Lots of veg pioneers have trodden these waters before you and hopefully they've left good yelp reviews in their tracks.

    I wish you luck and keep us posted. Don't be afraid of cooking stuff and it turning out badly. My first batch of seitan turned out like an unseasoned bouncy ball. I ate probably 10 servings of tofu before i realized i didn't have to hate it.

    • Ganonplorf [he/him,comrade/them]
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      4 years ago

      If anyone wants to learn more about honey production and why we should care: https://youtu.be/clMNw_VO1xo

      It's an earthling ed video, so it is short and to the point, content warning for insects, insects and maybe other animals being hurt.

  • Falkoro [he/him]
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    4 years ago

    I am sure people will give you tons of recipes. But you can't vegan for health reasons. Veganism has the following definition for Animal Liberation vegans:

    "Veganism is a philosophy and way of living which seeks to exclude—as far as is possible and practicable—all forms of exploitation of, and cruelty to, animals for food, clothing or any other purpose; and by extension, promotes the development and use of animal-free alternatives for the benefit of animals, humans and the environment. In dietary terms it denotes the practice of dispensing with all products derived wholly or partly from animals."

    Also you can definitely also join online vegan communities, they have tons of nice recipes.

    Either way, don't stress too much about protein / nutrition. Most vegans are super healthy by eating varied and taking B12 and iodine supplements. Also note that most people who follow an animal-abuse diet also need those supplements most of the time.

    • 24324564745364253q49 [they/them]
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      4 years ago

      But you can’t vegan for health reasons.

      This is a weird thing to reply to someone who is already making a post about having seen Dominion and is going vegan now.

      Like, they're already there, what are we criticizing them for

    • lilpissbaby [any]
      hexagon
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      4 years ago

      I meant to say that when I first started researching plant-based diets it was mostly for health reasons, but that's not the case anymore. The main reasons are animal rights and ecological ones, health later. I'm not sure why I would worry about things like porcelain if my main concern was health-oriented. Sorry if I didn't make that clear in the main post.

      Yeah, I know for most people protein isn't hard to get in any diet, but I want to gain lean mass which is why I'm a bit worried, since to optimize lean mass gain I would need to consume more protein than normal. I realize if I need to I can just take protein powder, as you said, but I'd rather just have a balanced diet overall. I would also be worried when eating meat or animal products tbh. I do plan on taking a multivitamin at least for a while until I get the hang of what I'm eating and what I'm lacking with a vegan diet.

      • Ganonplorf [he/him,comrade/them]
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        4 years ago

        Don't worry, people tend to other estimatethe amount if protein they need to build muscle, remember that there are other factors like sleep and calories. There are plenty of bodybuilders and powerlifters who are vegan like Noah Hannibal, check them out for inspiration.

        Also there is a channel that might help you: hench herbivore. His videos on nutrition are pretty good, he is vegan and recommends eating whole foods plant based to build muscle, here is one of his videos for new vegans:

        https://youtu.be/KfvTS-m9A34

        • lilpissbaby [any]
          hexagon
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          4 years ago

          Yeah, I've seen people of /r/fitness suggesting 1g of protein per pound of bodyweight which is insane to try to meet. And honestly, even if you were wrong you'd be right: I spend way too much time trying to get everything outside of training perfect and then I'll skip on training sessions or have bad quality sleep, which are the things that will hinder your progress the most.
          I saved the video you recommended to my watch later, will definitely take a look. The only vegan fitness people I watch occasionally are Clarence Kennedy and Brian Turner atm.

          • Ganonplorf [he/him,comrade/them]
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            4 years ago

            It happens to the best of us, after all sleep and being consistent with training are obvious things but harder to control than some minute detail you can obssesss over and procrastinate with. Good luck on your journey!