Unless you wanna go full "no life should ever exist because all life is suffering", no. We vegans care about the suffering humans cause, because that suffering is entirely unnecessary. And so, so destructive to the planet and to the people who work in animal ag.
not to nitpick but while industrialized agriculture is a parasite to the world and humans, we did animal husbandry just fine for tens of thousands of years
Oh, by the way, I never did reply to you about plant milks, because the thread got locked. Plant milks are basically perfect replacements for cow milk. You can bake with them exactly as you would with cow milk and they work precisely as you'd expect. Eggs are the one that's harder to replace in baking, although even there you can find replacements, it's just that you need different replacements for different contexts and functions.
I assume this was about my brownie thread, I forgot the black bean brownie recipe location but if ya want I can look.
I do actually love that, although plant milks can be a hit an miss I've not heard of anyone with a soy allergy (although im a bit allergic to almonds, nothing serious but its annoying) so I think going in a plant milk direction is just better for everyone involved. Although im not going to harp on individuals that don't.
Eggs seem about right, although are there ethical ways to keep egg production? Asking since its such a hassle to replace them. Although I would like to eat my cookie batter without chance of salmonella.
Its going to be a weird and wonderful world of discovery and change, if we ever get there.
Eggs seem about right, although are there ethical ways to keep egg production? Asking since its such a hassle to replace them.
not at industrial scale, part of the problem with chicken farming is the selective breeding has created birds that have too many eggs to stay healthy which can't be solved by any amount of free-range.
Maybe we can do some wacko scifi shit like deliberately encepha- i don't remember the term- where the animal only has autonomic systems and never grew enough brain to suffer. Those actually would be Descartes's meat robots but I'm sure people would find that sort of genetic engineering distasteful even if the assumptions baked into the idea pan out. Maybe i'm overcomplicating it and you could just 3D-print genes into gametes and form the eggs in an artificial whatever macro eggs form in, i'm not a chicken doctor.
not at industrial scale, part of the problem with chicken farming is the selective breeding has created birds that have too many eggs to stay healthy which can't be solved by any amount of free-range.
thats horrible, god damn what.
Maybe we can do some wacko scifi shit like deliberately encepha- i don't remember the term- where the animal only has autonomic systems and never grew enough brain to suffer. Those actually would be Descartes's meat robots but I'm sure people would find that sort of genetic engineering distasteful even if the assumptions baked into the idea pan out. Maybe i'm overcomplicating it and you could just 3D-print genes into gametes and form the eggs in an artificial whatever macro eggs form in, i'm not a chicken doctor.
I really think no one would like having brainless animals be their food, it sounds too unnatural. I wonder what the future holds in these kinds of sciences. What will happen if we can grow meat and eggs in a lab or normal setting without any animal abuse, we could alter the meat to be healthy and then the problems with it could be fixed. Although it seems like a lot of effort for things that can be replaced in any socialist future.
I really think no one would like having brainless animals be their food, it sounds too unnatural. I wonder what the future holds in these kinds of sciences. What will happen if we can grow meat and eggs in a lab or normal setting without any animal abuse, we could alter the meat to be healthy and then the problems with it could be fixed. Although it seems like a lot of effort for things that can be replaced in any socialist future.
yeah a rack of anencephalic (looked it up lol) animals would be a shocking sight since our only frame of reference would be a situation where the animals are capable of suffering.
Ok, that's fine. We can't go back to that now, the earth is too fucked and there are too many people eating too much meat to produce all we need without industrial animal ag. So I fail to see why it matters that (most) animal husbandry wasn't environmentally destructive.
No it fucking doesn't. I have never heard a single vegan say anything about being opposed to animals eating animals. What I have heard is carnists (wrongly) insisting we must be.
Maybe, but it's not a bit that's very funny. The "joke" is that vegans are such bleeding hearts that we want patently ridiculous things like getting rid of every predator. This allows carnists to ignore vegan critiques more easily, because why would you listen to someone who doesn't understand that predation is just a part of life for many animals?
Never said it was a funny bit, our posters are hit and miss with this lol. Wait people actually think that about vegans? Weird. Well liberals aren't known for having too many smart arguments.
I'm waiting for someone to notice that bears eat fish and rally to remove the Hexbear name and logos and change it to Hexbean
I'm 99.9% sure you're doing a bit, but just in case you aren't, vegans are not opposed to animals eating animals.
humans are animals
Really makes you think
Well shouldn't they be?? I imagine it causes rather a lot of suffering
Unless you wanna go full "no life should ever exist because all life is suffering", no. We vegans care about the suffering humans cause, because that suffering is entirely unnecessary. And so, so destructive to the planet and to the people who work in animal ag.
not to nitpick but while industrialized agriculture is a parasite to the world and humans, we did animal husbandry just fine for tens of thousands of years
Oh, by the way, I never did reply to you about plant milks, because the thread got locked. Plant milks are basically perfect replacements for cow milk. You can bake with them exactly as you would with cow milk and they work precisely as you'd expect. Eggs are the one that's harder to replace in baking, although even there you can find replacements, it's just that you need different replacements for different contexts and functions.
I assume this was about my brownie thread, I forgot the black bean brownie recipe location but if ya want I can look.
I do actually love that, although plant milks can be a hit an miss I've not heard of anyone with a soy allergy (although im a bit allergic to almonds, nothing serious but its annoying) so I think going in a plant milk direction is just better for everyone involved. Although im not going to harp on individuals that don't.
Eggs seem about right, although are there ethical ways to keep egg production? Asking since its such a hassle to replace them. Although I would like to eat my cookie batter without chance of salmonella.
Its going to be a weird and wonderful world of discovery and change, if we ever get there.
not at industrial scale, part of the problem with chicken farming is the selective breeding has created birds that have too many eggs to stay healthy which can't be solved by any amount of free-range.
Maybe we can do some wacko scifi shit like deliberately encepha- i don't remember the term- where the animal only has autonomic systems and never grew enough brain to suffer. Those actually would be Descartes's meat robots but I'm sure people would find that sort of genetic engineering distasteful even if the assumptions baked into the idea pan out. Maybe i'm overcomplicating it and you could just 3D-print genes into gametes and form the eggs in an artificial whatever macro eggs form in, i'm not a chicken doctor.
thats horrible, god damn what.
I really think no one would like having brainless animals be their food, it sounds too unnatural. I wonder what the future holds in these kinds of sciences. What will happen if we can grow meat and eggs in a lab or normal setting without any animal abuse, we could alter the meat to be healthy and then the problems with it could be fixed. Although it seems like a lot of effort for things that can be replaced in any socialist future.
yeah a rack of anencephalic (looked it up lol) animals would be a shocking sight since our only frame of reference would be a situation where the animals are capable of suffering.
Ok, that's fine. We can't go back to that now, the earth is too fucked and there are too many people eating too much meat to produce all we need without industrial animal ag. So I fail to see why it matters that (most) animal husbandry wasn't environmentally destructive.
truth, we must evolve. sorry, i was doing a kneejerk nitpick, carry on comrade.
Animals who are carnivores, unlike humans, will actually die if they don't eat meat. I'm pretty sure.
Depends how deep you go into vegan lore.
No it fucking doesn't. I have never heard a single vegan say anything about being opposed to animals eating animals. What I have heard is carnists (wrongly) insisting we must be.
im pretty sure they're doing a bit
Maybe, but it's not a bit that's very funny. The "joke" is that vegans are such bleeding hearts that we want patently ridiculous things like getting rid of every predator. This allows carnists to ignore vegan critiques more easily, because why would you listen to someone who doesn't understand that predation is just a part of life for many animals?
Never said it was a funny bit, our posters are hit and miss with this lol. Wait people actually think that about vegans? Weird. Well liberals aren't known for having too many smart arguments.
Oh fuck why didn't we call the Vegan community Hexbean
Hexbears eat hexberries!