Women are being raped because of hijabs? What does that even mean?
You know we're talking about hijabs, which are like, a scarf, and not even burqas, right?
You may disagree with a culture, but how does you policing what people wear, religious or otherwise, help anyone, if it is not causing direct harm. If we're talking about FGM or foot binding or skull shaping or something that is a "cultural or religious practice" that permanently debilitates women, then, yeah, that's no good. But it's a scarf that covers hair. I know lots of progressive, fucking amazing Muslim women who wear hijabs and kick ass. They wear it to be closer to their god and their religion, not because it signifies deferance to men.
It is a different situation in say, Saudi or Iran where it is mandatory - however, that is also overreach on governments policing clothing.
Your argument to me is based on some iteration of Islam that I haven't experienced, and I'm not sure that outside of religiously ruled countries it exists. For that reason, it has a sense of Islamophobia - that is, policing the clothing of Muslim people. You're choosing the default culture, and you're choosing it to be in line with Western white anti-theistic ideals.
I simply recognize that the dominant culture in Islamic countries is misogynistic, homophobic and transphobic. And hell yes I'm anti-theist, but that is not "western". I'm fiercely anti-capitalist, anti-racist and anti-individualist, I'm as least western as they come. I'm definitely a chauvinist, but it's moral, not cultural. Also I explained exactly how a hijab others women and removes their agency, but I see you've chosen not to engage with that topic at all and instead decided to call me, a non-white person who wasn't raised in the hegemonic western culture a western chauvinist.
If you ignore what I wrote about having the government dictate mandatory hijabs, as in Saudi and Iran as being bad, and yea, misogynistic, then I guess you could say I "didn't engage". If you don't ignore that, and instead see where I said that women outside of those countries are choosing to wear hijabs are celebrating their religion as a personal choice, then you might see my point of view better.
Just because you're not white and not "Western" doesn't mean that your chauvinism doesn't align with white western ideals.
I am against mandated headscarfs in theocratic autocracies, but this has little to do with mandated no-headscarfs in other countries.
You are coming at this from a moralistic ideological stance. You can't tell women what to wear and then claim that this is improving their agency. You are morally against this but you are morally against the culture - so it is in fact cultural, and it's a cultural difference that is against the white western culture being superior - from a moral perspective. When this type of thinking is directed against Muslims this is where it lines up with Western white chauvinism.
This is a bit of a trek to get from "the government shouldn't mandate what people wear" to suggesting I support all breadth of individualist arguments.
I suppose a certain amount of individualism under capitalism is in fact classist, racist, and exploitative, but removing any libertarian, self sufficiency nonsense and looking strictly at clothing and style and personality, people should be able to be who they are and who they want to be. I don't think this is a concept at odds with left wing economic systems.
I think we disagree that a headscarf in general is detrimental to society. I don't think it is, and you do think it is. Unfortunately, I have too many really cool empowered women examples that will sway me that outside of a theocracy there is anything bad about hijabs.
Women are being raped because of hijabs? What does that even mean?
You know we're talking about hijabs, which are like, a scarf, and not even burqas, right?
You may disagree with a culture, but how does you policing what people wear, religious or otherwise, help anyone, if it is not causing direct harm. If we're talking about FGM or foot binding or skull shaping or something that is a "cultural or religious practice" that permanently debilitates women, then, yeah, that's no good. But it's a scarf that covers hair. I know lots of progressive, fucking amazing Muslim women who wear hijabs and kick ass. They wear it to be closer to their god and their religion, not because it signifies deferance to men.
It is a different situation in say, Saudi or Iran where it is mandatory - however, that is also overreach on governments policing clothing.
Your argument to me is based on some iteration of Islam that I haven't experienced, and I'm not sure that outside of religiously ruled countries it exists. For that reason, it has a sense of Islamophobia - that is, policing the clothing of Muslim people. You're choosing the default culture, and you're choosing it to be in line with Western white anti-theistic ideals.
I simply recognize that the dominant culture in Islamic countries is misogynistic, homophobic and transphobic. And hell yes I'm anti-theist, but that is not "western". I'm fiercely anti-capitalist, anti-racist and anti-individualist, I'm as least western as they come. I'm definitely a chauvinist, but it's moral, not cultural. Also I explained exactly how a hijab others women and removes their agency, but I see you've chosen not to engage with that topic at all and instead decided to call me, a non-white person who wasn't raised in the hegemonic western culture a western chauvinist.
If you ignore what I wrote about having the government dictate mandatory hijabs, as in Saudi and Iran as being bad, and yea, misogynistic, then I guess you could say I "didn't engage". If you don't ignore that, and instead see where I said that women outside of those countries are choosing to wear hijabs are celebrating their religion as a personal choice, then you might see my point of view better.
Just because you're not white and not "Western" doesn't mean that your chauvinism doesn't align with white western ideals.
I am against mandated headscarfs in theocratic autocracies, but this has little to do with mandated no-headscarfs in other countries.
You are coming at this from a moralistic ideological stance. You can't tell women what to wear and then claim that this is improving their agency. You are morally against this but you are morally against the culture - so it is in fact cultural, and it's a cultural difference that is against the white western culture being superior - from a moral perspective. When this type of thinking is directed against Muslims this is where it lines up with Western white chauvinism.
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This is a bit of a trek to get from "the government shouldn't mandate what people wear" to suggesting I support all breadth of individualist arguments.
I suppose a certain amount of individualism under capitalism is in fact classist, racist, and exploitative, but removing any libertarian, self sufficiency nonsense and looking strictly at clothing and style and personality, people should be able to be who they are and who they want to be. I don't think this is a concept at odds with left wing economic systems.
I think we disagree that a headscarf in general is detrimental to society. I don't think it is, and you do think it is. Unfortunately, I have too many really cool empowered women examples that will sway me that outside of a theocracy there is anything bad about hijabs.