Meh, I go to the movies to be entertained, not lectured at.

Should rephrase that so you don't sound indistinguishable from a chud.

His sexist comments are about how she's depicted in the game. He gives an example of a scene in the game as his way of showing that women see each other as enemies. He created the character so that she's mostly nude when she's fighting because he wants to leer at women. The game is influenced by his misogyny.

She isn't sexual. She doesn't do anything sexual in 1 or 2 and the people that kept saying she was feminist are upset with 3 because she actually exhibits her sexuality in that game and it's a disaster. In 1 & 2 she was sexualized, which was a different thing as I explained already.

Just watch the Lingerie is not Armor video. It's all you need to understand why Bayonetta is sexist.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jko06dA_x88

Skip to the 5 minute mark if you only want to watch the Bayonetta section. The video does use term sexuality in a negative context, but it means something different to how we've talked about it here.

We've talked about sexuality in a general sense, while the video focuses on a specific type of "sexuality".

The other main contributor to the character is the original VA, who's outed herself as blue lives matter transphobic anti-choice chud. Character doesn't have a lot on her side.

Sexualized depiction women are inherently misogynist because we live in a patriarchal society and sexualization is distinct from sexuality. Watch the lingerie is not armor video.

There are video games where women have nude sex scenes and they aren't sexualized and there are video games where women are clothed and doing something that has nothing to do with sex and are sexualized.

Saying women who enjoy misogynist things is not an attack on them. Something can be misogynist and we can have complex feelings about it. It doesn't mean we are being tricked or have no say in how we process it. In one of the links I posted, a woman said Bayonetta was misogynist and she also talked about what she liked about the game.

Your argument is essentially that if a woman enjoys a piece of media, it can't be sexist. That's a lib way of understanding things.

The workers made the character under his direction. His ideas shaped the character. He isn't a capitalist, he's an artist, and a worker himself.

This is your defense of Bayonetta:

She and the game can't be misogynist because there are women that like the character and games

The series creator, the director/writer (and another producer) of the game actually had little to do with its development (citation needed) so their misogynism regarding the development actually had no effect on the game. This also implies that all the other men that worked on the game weren't misogynist, which you somehow know.

Ignoring feminist critics that called Bayonetta misogynist.

That leads me to another question. Is there any popular art that you think is actually misogynist? Because if there's something that's enjoyed by millions of people worldwide, some of those people are going to be women which leads to popular art unable to be misogynist.

Apparently I should have named this topic "Bayonetta struggle session".

I didn't say they women wrong to enjoy these things. I don't think we should pretend misogynist media is something it's not.

We all enjoy problematic things.

A woman having the same fantasy doesn't mean it can't be misogynist. That kind of defense only comes up when women are into something that was designed with men as the intended target audience.

These people didn't come to the defense of 50 shades of grey with the same argument. It was something everyone dunked on as sexist even though it was written for women by a woman.

We live in a misogynist culture so it isn't rare for us to have misogynist fantasies.

I'm not telling you what to think. There's no evidence that points to Bayonetta being anything but some guy's horny fantasy of what women should be but people can think what they want.

You're a real living person. Bayonetta isn't.

She's the misogynist fantasy of a cis straight guy.

This isn't that hard to understand. It's feminism 101.

https://youtu.be/jko06dA_x88?t=313

Women that criticized Bayonetta were harassed for not towing the line on misogynist nerd shit so they don't talk about the character or the series as much anymore.

Examples are out there if you look.

https://gomakemeasandwich.wordpress.com/2011/06/03/bayonetta-and-the-male-gaze/

https://gomakemeasandwich.wordpress.com/2014/11/13/on-bayonetta-2-and-female-sexuality-in-video-games-tw/

https://feministfrequency.com/video/bayonetta-innovative-advertising-or-sexual-harassment-training/

https://twitter.com/femfreq/status/521778746655649792?lang=en

https://agameofme.tumblr.com/post/102909075862/bayonetta-2s-sexless-sexiness-and-the

Those that come to the defense of the character and series also ignore the obvious misogyny demonstrated by the creators. Bayonetta's only feminist or unproblematic if you buy into Naomi Wolfe's bullshit Fire with Fire feminism.

And the original VA that shaped the character with her performance is a transphobic blue lives matter chud. The character is cursed.

Just watch Utena instead.

You should know that headlines are chosen by the editor, not the writer.

The problems the writer finds with From's games aren't that the women are sexualized. She never says the games themselves sexualize the women in them. Her correctly pointing out that men have sexualized defeating Malenia is not her saying the game sexualizes her. There is no implication that nudity sexualized the character to think that is what she said is to ignore the actual contents of the article.

Her analysis is that men sexualize defeating the character. Not that the character is inherently sexualized because of nudity.

That's the opposite of what the article said.

Malenia’s first death triggers her final transformation into the Goddess of Scarlet Rot, and she emerges triumphantly from her blossom to spread tragically beautiful wings of skin, rot, and butterflies. She is no longer clad in armor, and the camera does a long, slow reveal of her nakedness. Her body is crusted over with rot, and yet reveals her breasts and genitals being as smooth as a doll’s. It evokes a confusing mixture of fear and titillation, complicating the act of regarding her body. Her lack of protection does not feel like a vulnerability but a challenge.

The bravado about beating Malenia makes sense; she evokes the idea of a virginal warrior like Joan of Arc or Brienne of Tarth, her purity and strength existing in a place beyond femininity. Her aesthetic references Athena or valkyries, but even when that is stripped away, her nakedness is terrifying rather than provocative. Everything about her is hostile and taunts the player. When faced with a difficult, defiant woman who has never been beaten, men cannot help but fantasize about being the one to take her down. (Or at least be in the room when it happens.)

The Kotaku article was fine.

Writing about how Cyberpunk is orientalist and critiquing a Cyberpunk story for not confronting that orientalism is run of the mill criticism.

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What's the point of a Top Gun movie without all the homoeroticism?

The Rose of Versailles It’s fantastic, but there’s one terrible scene late in the anime that is handled extremely badly and kinda ruins an aspect of the plot.

People find it pretentious.