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Only second to Iran-Contra in the list of worst Contras
Also I got around to looking into CP more, and what do you know, used to be some 4chan adjacent determinist atheist edgelord back in the day. Of course people can change but it's all a bit too much on the nose.
Same but I decided to be a cool rock n roll punk guy. Contrast best point ever was that if young frustrated men had a sick telecaster instead of a computer in their room we'd have less incels and more cool riffs.
i'm actually glad you're better now and i feel like a lot of people had to rebuild themselves from all of that
/jp/ was and still is one of the more surreal and psychically damaging places on the internet. At first glance you might be like "Oh cool, a place to talk about my favorite visual novels and who the best 2hu is" but...it gets weird real quick.
I would argue that particular vibe didn't have a coherent political orientation until Gamergate crystallized it. The only overtly political things I remember they cared about were fucking with Hal Turner and standing in front of Scientology clinics.
It was always going to go that way. There was always an incredibly reactionary majority. Gamergate just made a lot of people notice. The Chris Chan harrassment began well before gamergate and boxxy prior to those who remember, they doxxedd and harrased people regularly driving some to suicide. Gamergate made the reactionary elements known but Trump made it seem like a political orientation, it still isn't really because it's an incoherent hive by definition but anything not generally right is fully purged instead of being marginal to the point of not really mattering.
You're right of course, which is why I have difficulty squaring any of them as a political orientation, since the cohort being represented here is "single disaffected mostly white young men who like hentai and video games." Their strongest held belief is their inherent right to harass people over the internet. That's what all of our examples are. They want to the right to say slurs in call of duty lobbies, link people to shock sites, and get a giddy thrill out of telling someone to kill themselves. I feel like that isn't exactly a popular thing to organize around, which is probably why they had to expand to outright and overt reactionary politics.
periodic reminder that gamergate was a wildly successful astroturfing campaign orchestrated by cambridge analytica at the behest of steve bannon, which aided and assisted, perhaps unintentionally, stormfront's active and ongoing astroturfing campaign and crystalized the current neoreactionary movement
Was Elevatorgate before or after it? That was when I felt the edgelords started to turn really bad, though of course things like "an hero" were already awful. And I do remember edgy ironic nazi memes from very early.
Oh god I had forgotten all about Elevatorgate. That was before, in 2011. Gamergate started in earnest in 2014.
Were those the same groups of internet edgelords? Like it was debate club atheists and 4chan pedophiles. There was probably overlap though. It gives me vertigo to think that "atheist" used to be a whole structured ideological stance just like 7 years ago and somehow involved transphobia and rabid hatred of feminism.
There was severe overlap between the right branch of the atheists (not usually the sort that hung around with PZ Meyers though) and channers in my experience, Probably stemming from the first Scientology/Creationism wars back on USENET.
Honestly though, I think her videos specifically on those subcultures are very good and insightful, like the Incels one. Certainly way better than her takes on political action lol
Only second to Iran-Contra in the list of worst Contras
Also I got around to looking into CP more, and what do you know, used to be some 4chan adjacent determinist atheist edgelord back in the day. Of course people can change but it's all a bit too much on the nose.
:brace-cowboy:
fuck
:ypg-brace:
That brace emote cracks me tf up every time lol
isn't this like... quite a few people on this site
I remember taking one look at 4chan and saying "This shit's for nerds" and lived my life as being an IRL boomer-brained proto alt-right fash edgelord.
Same but I decided to be a cool rock n roll punk guy. Contrast best point ever was that if young frustrated men had a sick telecaster instead of a computer in their room we'd have less incels and more cool riffs.
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i'm actually glad you're better now and i feel like a lot of people had to rebuild themselves from all of that
/jp/ was and still is one of the more surreal and psychically damaging places on the internet. At first glance you might be like "Oh cool, a place to talk about my favorite visual novels and who the best 2hu is" but...it gets weird real quick.
I just went to look that up and now I dont know whether to laugh, cry, vomit, or all of the above. You are an absolute legend sir.
I've always seen chapo as kind of being chan culture but less toxic
Now we're punching up instead of down.
It pretty much is.
Think Chapo has its roots more in SomethingAwful, but that's a pretty small distinction
Yeah that is closer.
i was just a lurker goon but definitely got some SA vibes when i first found r/chapo
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you know, I consider it sometimes
A lot of y'all seem suspiciously familiar to the folks I used to talk with on 4chan/7chan/420/99 way back when
Might be part of the reason why I feel comfortable here. Reconnecting with everyone.
Explains our earlier struggle sessions...
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Yeah that's true, didn't mean to paint that broad a brush
:what-the-hell:
Yeah, she used to say it in some of her earlier videos that she wasn't, quite, a chud back then, but definitely in on the 2005 4Chan /b/ vibe
I would argue that particular vibe didn't have a coherent political orientation until Gamergate crystallized it. The only overtly political things I remember they cared about were fucking with Hal Turner and standing in front of Scientology clinics.
It was always going to go that way. There was always an incredibly reactionary majority. Gamergate just made a lot of people notice. The Chris Chan harrassment began well before gamergate and boxxy prior to those who remember, they doxxedd and harrased people regularly driving some to suicide. Gamergate made the reactionary elements known but Trump made it seem like a political orientation, it still isn't really because it's an incoherent hive by definition but anything not generally right is fully purged instead of being marginal to the point of not really mattering.
You're right of course, which is why I have difficulty squaring any of them as a political orientation, since the cohort being represented here is "single disaffected mostly white young men who like hentai and video games." Their strongest held belief is their inherent right to harass people over the internet. That's what all of our examples are. They want to the right to say slurs in call of duty lobbies, link people to shock sites, and get a giddy thrill out of telling someone to kill themselves. I feel like that isn't exactly a popular thing to organize around, which is probably why they had to expand to outright and overt reactionary politics.
periodic reminder that gamergate was a wildly successful astroturfing campaign orchestrated by cambridge analytica at the behest of steve bannon, which aided and assisted, perhaps unintentionally, stormfront's active and ongoing astroturfing campaign and crystalized the current neoreactionary movement
Was Elevatorgate before or after it? That was when I felt the edgelords started to turn really bad, though of course things like "an hero" were already awful. And I do remember edgy ironic nazi memes from very early.
Oh god I had forgotten all about Elevatorgate. That was before, in 2011. Gamergate started in earnest in 2014.
Were those the same groups of internet edgelords? Like it was debate club atheists and 4chan pedophiles. There was probably overlap though. It gives me vertigo to think that "atheist" used to be a whole structured ideological stance just like 7 years ago and somehow involved transphobia and rabid hatred of feminism.
There was severe overlap between the right branch of the atheists (not usually the sort that hung around with PZ Meyers though) and channers in my experience, Probably stemming from the first Scientology/Creationism wars back on USENET.
Honestly though, I think her videos specifically on those subcultures are very good and insightful, like the Incels one. Certainly way better than her takes on political action lol