Every Contrapoints video I've watched, including her newest one, has an aura of liberal academic philosophy about it and it's something I don't know how to articulate well.
i mean if you believe the stuff about him killing millions of people then it's not a surprise
It's indicting either way then. Doing a /r/redskilledtrillions puts her in worse company than the TERFs rallying around Rowling.
I think it was The Economist or something, so even worse lmao. That tells you something.
Ah, yes, that anti-revolutionary, anti-utopian DeLeonist theory...
Like most people using the term, she's probably never read a word of DeLeon in her life. Which, to be fair, is not the greatest tragedy in the world...
Only second to Iran-Contra in the list of worst Contras
Also I got around to looking into CP more, and what do you know, used to be some 4chan adjacent determinist atheist edgelord back in the day. Of course people can change but it's all a bit too much on the nose.
used to be some 4chan adjacent determinist atheist edgelord back in the day
isn't this like... quite a few people on this site
I remember taking one look at 4chan and saying "This shit's for nerds" and lived my life as being an IRL boomer-brained proto alt-right fash edgelord.
Same but I decided to be a cool rock n roll punk guy. Contrast best point ever was that if young frustrated men had a sick telecaster instead of a computer in their room we'd have less incels and more cool riffs.
i'm actually glad you're better now and i feel like a lot of people had to rebuild themselves from all of that
/jp/ was and still is one of the more surreal and psychically damaging places on the internet. At first glance you might be like "Oh cool, a place to talk about my favorite visual novels and who the best 2hu is" but...it gets weird real quick.
I just went to look that up and now I dont know whether to laugh, cry, vomit, or all of the above. You are an absolute legend sir.
Think Chapo has its roots more in SomethingAwful, but that's a pretty small distinction
i was just a lurker goon but definitely got some SA vibes when i first found r/chapo
you know, I consider it sometimes
A lot of y'all seem suspiciously familiar to the folks I used to talk with on 4chan/7chan/420/99 way back when
Might be part of the reason why I feel comfortable here. Reconnecting with everyone.
Yeah, she used to say it in some of her earlier videos that she wasn't, quite, a chud back then, but definitely in on the 2005 4Chan /b/ vibe
I would argue that particular vibe didn't have a coherent political orientation until Gamergate crystallized it. The only overtly political things I remember they cared about were fucking with Hal Turner and standing in front of Scientology clinics.
It was always going to go that way. There was always an incredibly reactionary majority. Gamergate just made a lot of people notice. The Chris Chan harrassment began well before gamergate and boxxy prior to those who remember, they doxxedd and harrased people regularly driving some to suicide. Gamergate made the reactionary elements known but Trump made it seem like a political orientation, it still isn't really because it's an incoherent hive by definition but anything not generally right is fully purged instead of being marginal to the point of not really mattering.
You're right of course, which is why I have difficulty squaring any of them as a political orientation, since the cohort being represented here is "single disaffected mostly white young men who like hentai and video games." Their strongest held belief is their inherent right to harass people over the internet. That's what all of our examples are. They want to the right to say slurs in call of duty lobbies, link people to shock sites, and get a giddy thrill out of telling someone to kill themselves. I feel like that isn't exactly a popular thing to organize around, which is probably why they had to expand to outright and overt reactionary politics.
Was Elevatorgate before or after it? That was when I felt the edgelords started to turn really bad, though of course things like "an hero" were already awful. And I do remember edgy ironic nazi memes from very early.
Oh god I had forgotten all about Elevatorgate. That was before, in 2011. Gamergate started in earnest in 2014.
Were those the same groups of internet edgelords? Like it was debate club atheists and 4chan pedophiles. There was probably overlap though. It gives me vertigo to think that "atheist" used to be a whole structured ideological stance just like 7 years ago and somehow involved transphobia and rabid hatred of feminism.
There was severe overlap between the right branch of the atheists (not usually the sort that hung around with PZ Meyers though) and channers in my experience, Probably stemming from the first Scientology/Creationism wars back on USENET.
Honestly though, I think her videos specifically on those subcultures are very good and insightful, like the Incels one. Certainly way better than her takes on political action lol
Especially in all the comment threads talking about -chans...
Eddie rocks. His stuff on TikTok is introducing a lot of young people to left politics and teaching them a lot of great language. He's not always on the money, but he's got the spirit.
Contra was always the worst breadtuber IMO. She comes across as up her own ass, elitist and fake.
Isn't she a classically trained philosopher?
Philosophy students often end up becoming grifty lawyers or working in advertising.
We need more tenure-track philosophy gigs to keep philosophy grads from turning to evil.
"They wrote entire books like this one about how their version of socialism is not utopian"
"Our version of society, our version of socialism and communism that we want to create, is specifically different from [...]"
I appreciate the work that this Comrade is doing, but these lines also lay bare that he himself hasn't fully grasped what they were saying because Marx and Engels had no so-called 'version' of any society. Furthermore, framing his argument in this way weakens it because now it commits the no true Scott's fallacy. Having said that, he's on the right track. Socialism Utopian and Scientific attempts to explain that any socialist society that could possibly exist would by necessity have to be non-utopian and grapple with the material realities upon which it is growing out of.
Yes, but also Marx and Engles distinguish "Utopian" from "Utopia".
The goal is still humanity at peace with itself, doing cool shit. Marx et al just use a scientific and materialist methodology to sketch out how it might be possible to remove the primary barriers to building this society, without prescribing its forms beyond broad economic descriptions, unlike what earlier socialists did with their precise models of production.
I swear we need to start giving Contrapoints posts the :funny-clown-hammer: treatment. Who gives a fuck? Stop watching the dumb lib's dumb lib videos.
Judging from the comments on this post, it seems that cucktrapoints here has made the beautiful multiverse brained leaps and bounds typical of the disgruntled racist cuckservatives she used to "deradicalize" and "debunk" where she has broadly stated:
'left twitter seethes because they are envious of the rich'
'envy bad and ebil'
'left twitter is the representation of everybody who is gommunist in the world'
'ergo all gommunists are envious of the rich'
'gommunism bad and ebil lol capitalism good'
No better than anything PragerU has to offer, disappointing, but expected, considering her status as a millionaire and therefore incentivized through material needs to support neoliberalism and smear communism.
Yes I personally agree that envy isn't a sin or anything, and that is perfectly normal to hate the global elite for how they hoard wealth at our expense, making their lives easier and cucking us to the tyranny of market forces so they can continue living as rulers.
The fundamental thing I dislike about "Breadtubers" is the fact that they are neoliberal progressives who push audiences away from considering any true radical alternative to capitalism and challenging its fundamental problems/contradictions.
She can't even coherently define her own ideology, of course she'd lie about knowing what Marxism is
lol fr im confused about how she can rail about how no revolution has resulted in a magic utopia but also never defines what the end goal of this gradual incrementalism shes subscribed to. is it...not a utopia? just slowly movin to...what exactly? and its like way more annoying since her presentation style is basically "I am extremely confident in how correct i am".
no joke when he speeds contra up to 2x she almost ends up sounding like ben shapiro (tone and cadence, not content)
