Do you ever feel like maybe you've been lied to whenever people dig into the Uigher genocide thing and literally EVERY single source eventually circles back to Adrian Zenz or literal State Department mouthpieces like Radio Free Asia?
Do you ever look at the constantly increasing Uigher population and the fact that they, like other ethnic minorities, were exempt from the One Child policy, and think "hmmm you know what that doesn't make sense if they're genociding them?" Because idk, that fact would give me pause before I go into a xenophobic fury like a good little drone.
"Muslims don't care about other Muslims. The only credible source are the countries who've spent the last two decades bombing and killing millions of Muslims."
Real racist shit, accusing Muslims of being untrustworthy whenever their opinions don't line up with the West.
The UN didn't find "nothing," they found a concerning set of laws and practices that didn't rise to the UN's (admittedly broad) definition of genocide. Fwiw, though, the US's treatment of black people also doesn't rise to the UN's standard of genocide, so it doesn't mean everything is squeaky clean over there.
Yep. Ironically all the US propaganda has made it hard to discuss what's actually happening there because in my experience the second you say "it doesn't meet the definition of a genocide", people's brains shut down and they accuse you of defending China and denying genocide.
You can see that they did it with Tibetans before and that's been thrown to the wayside because it's been decades and Tibetans are now more numerous, more educated (in their own language and in Mandarin) and enjoy a higher standard of living than ever before.
They can only lie about this shit for a certain amount of time before the truth becomes insurmountable, but by that time they'll just move on to other bullshit.
It's incredibly generous of you to think that libs dropped Tibet because of material reality not agreeing with their propaganda.
More realistically, Xinjiang is the new hot thing because the State Dept saw the Al Qaeda off-shoots there as a useful tool for sabotaging the Belt and Road initiative and booming PV industry in the region. There's only so much fake tears you can squeeze out of a person and there's no point in diluting the message.
Bruh, they tried to spread info to you by recommending State and Revolution, and without even reading the first 2 sentences on the Wikipedia article you discarded it as nationalism!
That wasn't just judging a book by it's cover, it's judging a book by it's title. If anything, the line of argument that a janitor in the US, a janitor in China, a janitor in Russia and Ukraine have more in common with each other than the billionaires of their respective countries is A: correct, and B: it's probably the least nationalist thing you could say. That other person there, who shares no language, nationality, race or culture as you is closer to you than someone who shares all of those traits with you buy owns several mega yachts. That sounds like nationalism to you?
Just to be clear, are you saying that you thought "State and Revolution" was a slogan like "Blood and Soil" or "Liberty, Equality, Fraternity"? That would be a very unusual reaction but I'm not asking as a point of judgement.
Anyway, it's Lenin's most famous work and you can find it for free very easily online including as text here and as an audiobook here.
it's generally a good idea to Google something you suspect is a slogan as it's frequently some fascist BS. that would have pulled up the work for free from a number of places. I assumed you had done that and were calling Lenin a nationalist.
I respect you admitting as much but I also whole-heartedly recommend that you give the book a read, or even Stalin's book 'Dialectical and Historical Materialism' if you're looking for something shorter... I was very much like you once and reading books like these helped me understand a lot of things.
Oh cool a reddit liberal
Do you ever feel like maybe you've been lied to whenever people dig into the Uigher genocide thing and literally EVERY single source eventually circles back to Adrian Zenz or literal State Department mouthpieces like Radio Free Asia?
Do you ever look at the constantly increasing Uigher population and the fact that they, like other ethnic minorities, were exempt from the One Child policy, and think "hmmm you know what that doesn't make sense if they're genociding them?" Because idk, that fact would give me pause before I go into a xenophobic fury like a good little drone.
The UN even investigated the issue and found nothing.
Yeah and a coalition of Muslim majority countries. Libs don't care though, they choose the fascist propaganda
"Muslims don't care about other Muslims. The only credible source are the countries who've spent the last two decades bombing and killing millions of Muslims."
Real racist shit, accusing Muslims of being untrustworthy whenever their opinions don't line up with the West.
The UN didn't find "nothing," they found a concerning set of laws and practices that didn't rise to the UN's (admittedly broad) definition of genocide. Fwiw, though, the US's treatment of black people also doesn't rise to the UN's standard of genocide, so it doesn't mean everything is squeaky clean over there.
Yep. Ironically all the US propaganda has made it hard to discuss what's actually happening there because in my experience the second you say "it doesn't meet the definition of a genocide", people's brains shut down and they accuse you of defending China and denying genocide.
I need to read more on the situation. Do you have a recommendation?
UN report PDF
Text of the Xinjiang anti-extremism law
Thank you 🙏
No, because they work backwards from a predetermined conclusion. They would invent a different genocide if the Uighers didn’t exist.
You can see that they did it with Tibetans before and that's been thrown to the wayside because it's been decades and Tibetans are now more numerous, more educated (in their own language and in Mandarin) and enjoy a higher standard of living than ever before.
They can only lie about this shit for a certain amount of time before the truth becomes insurmountable, but by that time they'll just move on to other bullshit.
Average life expectancy in Tibet has increased from 35 years in 1951 to 72 years in 2021.
Tibet is the first region in China to provide 15 years of publicly funded education, from kindergartens to senior high schools.
This is what liberals oppose.
But what about the rights of the heckin' wholesome lamas to skin their serfs for decorative purposes?
It's incredibly generous of you to think that libs dropped Tibet because of material reality not agreeing with their propaganda.
More realistically, Xinjiang is the new hot thing because the State Dept saw the Al Qaeda off-shoots there as a useful tool for sabotaging the Belt and Road initiative and booming PV industry in the region. There's only so much fake tears you can squeeze out of a person and there's no point in diluting the message.
Well, the Dalai Lama turning out to be a pedo probably didn't help the lib cause either.
What’s a reddit?
the source of your case of brainworms
Oh no! Do you have better propaganda I should consume??
State and Revolution
That sounds like nationalism!
internationalism is nationalism,
Literally the opposite. But libs are so politically illiterate they do not understand what internationalism is.
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It is quite literally internationalism
Most accurate username tbh
You just refuse to learn anything about anything, don’t you?
Did I miss someone trying to spread info in this thread? All i got from you was pig poop, but sure pretend you had something to say I don’t mind
Bruh, they tried to spread info to you by recommending State and Revolution, and without even reading the first 2 sentences on the Wikipedia article you discarded it as nationalism!
That wasn't just judging a book by it's cover, it's judging a book by it's title. If anything, the line of argument that a janitor in the US, a janitor in China, a janitor in Russia and Ukraine have more in common with each other than the billionaires of their respective countries is A: correct, and B: it's probably the least nationalist thing you could say. That other person there, who shares no language, nationality, race or culture as you is closer to you than someone who shares all of those traits with you buy owns several mega yachts. That sounds like nationalism to you?
As a matter of fact it wasn’t clear that was supposed to be a book! Sounded more like a slogan but you know, let’s all rush to judgement yeah?
Just to be clear, are you saying that you thought "State and Revolution" was a slogan like "Blood and Soil" or "Liberty, Equality, Fraternity"? That would be a very unusual reaction but I'm not asking as a point of judgement.
Anyway, it's Lenin's most famous work and you can find it for free very easily online including as text here and as an audiobook here.
Personally, I think the best introductory work for someone who doesn't have the patience for The Principles of Communism (and I don't have that patience myself) is Engels' Socialism: Utopian and Scientific, here as text and here as an excellent audiobook.
Let me know if there's anything that I can do to help.
Yes, that’s what I thought lol. In my defense, posting in here led to my inbox blowing up so I didn’t spend much time thinking about it.
No worries. It's no coincidence that your education system, like mine, probably didn't inform you about those sorts of things.
it's generally a good idea to Google something you suspect is a slogan as it's frequently some fascist BS. that would have pulled up the work for free from a number of places. I assumed you had done that and were calling Lenin a nationalist.
I respect you admitting as much but I also whole-heartedly recommend that you give the book a read, or even Stalin's book 'Dialectical and Historical Materialism' if you're looking for something shorter... I was very much like you once and reading books like these helped me understand a lot of things.
Here on Hexbear we assume everyone knows who Vladimir Lenin is. He is very famous. He was in the Beatles!
you literally rushed to judgement without knowing what it was
it's unbelievable how incredibly dumb reddit libs are
…yes that’s my point? I rushed to judgment and so did he. My god you’re dumb.
lol, i'm sure that's what you meant
Here's a good starter
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Yeah and "Combat Liberalism" sounds like a handbook for English martial arts.
Do we ever!
Yeah here's some good shit for you it's right on your intellectual level
Drat! I was hoping to be intellectually stimulated, but you decided to go sexual instead. A bold maneuver, but am I won over in spite of myself??
If you look at a pig with shit on itself and think "this is sexual" you're the one with a problem.
Right? I didn't even know how to respond to that lmao
No u
I'm sorry to break it to you but pigs cannot in fact consent. leave them alone.
You looked at a picture of doo doo on a pig and the first word that came to your mind was "sex"? lmao nasty ass redditor
I’ve seen what you like you dirty little boy
Any amount of bullying you may have received in high school was not enough.
You guys are so mean 😢
We are being let out of the posting chambers to dunk for the first time in years, so yes, we are mean and eager to dunk on libs.
However, we also give free hugs, here's yours:
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You're saying it like you think what you usually consume isn't propaganda..
Oh no the tankie doesn’t understand the word “better”
I'm surprised the lib knows they're consuming shit propaganda
Actually reading something for yourself? Literally any literature.
Michael Parenti, Samir Amin and Vijay Prashad's works are good starting points in my opinion.