ideology is a hell of a drug

  • GorbinOutOverHere [comrade/them]
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    11 months ago

    Oh cool a reddit liberal

    Do you ever feel like maybe you've been lied to whenever people dig into the Uigher genocide thing and literally EVERY single source eventually circles back to Adrian Zenz or literal State Department mouthpieces like Radio Free Asia?

    Do you ever look at the constantly increasing Uigher population and the fact that they, like other ethnic minorities, were exempt from the One Child policy, and think "hmmm you know what that doesn't make sense if they're genociding them?" Because idk, that fact would give me pause before I go into a xenophobic fury like a good little drone.

      • GorbinOutOverHere [comrade/them]
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        11 months ago

        Yeah and a coalition of Muslim majority countries. Libs don't care though, they choose the fascist propaganda

        • Tankiedesantski [he/him]
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          11 months ago

          "Muslims don't care about other Muslims. The only credible source are the countries who've spent the last two decades bombing and killing millions of Muslims."

          Real racist shit, accusing Muslims of being untrustworthy whenever their opinions don't line up with the West.

      • Nagarjuna [he/him]
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        11 months ago

        The UN didn't find "nothing," they found a concerning set of laws and practices that didn't rise to the UN's (admittedly broad) definition of genocide. Fwiw, though, the US's treatment of black people also doesn't rise to the UN's standard of genocide, so it doesn't mean everything is squeaky clean over there.

    • VILenin [he/him]M
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      11 months ago

      No, because they work backwards from a predetermined conclusion. They would invent a different genocide if the Uighers didn’t exist.

      • Tankiedesantski [he/him]
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        11 months ago

        You can see that they did it with Tibetans before and that's been thrown to the wayside because it's been decades and Tibetans are now more numerous, more educated (in their own language and in Mandarin) and enjoy a higher standard of living than ever before.

        They can only lie about this shit for a certain amount of time before the truth becomes insurmountable, but by that time they'll just move on to other bullshit.

        • MultigrainCerealista [he/him, comrade/them]
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          11 months ago

          Average life expectancy in Tibet has increased from 35 years in 1951 to 72 years in 2021.

          Tibet is the first region in China to provide 15 years of publicly funded education, from kindergartens to senior high schools.

          This is what liberals oppose.

          • Tankiedesantski [he/him]
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            11 months ago

            But what about the rights of the heckin' wholesome lamas to skin their serfs for decorative purposes?

        • nohaybanda [he/him]
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          11 months ago

          It's incredibly generous of you to think that libs dropped Tibet because of material reality not agreeing with their propaganda.

          More realistically, Xinjiang is the new hot thing because the State Dept saw the Al Qaeda off-shoots there as a useful tool for sabotaging the Belt and Road initiative and booming PV industry in the region. There's only so much fake tears you can squeeze out of a person and there's no point in diluting the message.

          • Tankiedesantski [he/him]
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            11 months ago

            Well, the Dalai Lama turning out to be a pedo probably didn't help the lib cause either.

              • Awoo [she/her]
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                11 months ago

                Literally the opposite. But libs are so politically illiterate they do not understand what internationalism is.

              • VILenin [he/him]M
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                11 months ago

                You just refuse to learn anything about anything, don’t you?

                • ieatpillowtags@lemm.ee
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                  11 months ago

                  Did I miss someone trying to spread info in this thread? All i got from you was pig poop, but sure pretend you had something to say I don’t mind

                  • CloutAtlas [he/him]
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                    11 months ago

                    Bruh, they tried to spread info to you by recommending State and Revolution, and without even reading the first 2 sentences on the Wikipedia article you discarded it as nationalism!

                    That wasn't just judging a book by it's cover, it's judging a book by it's title. If anything, the line of argument that a janitor in the US, a janitor in China, a janitor in Russia and Ukraine have more in common with each other than the billionaires of their respective countries is A: correct, and B: it's probably the least nationalist thing you could say. That other person there, who shares no language, nationality, race or culture as you is closer to you than someone who shares all of those traits with you buy owns several mega yachts. That sounds like nationalism to you?

                    • ieatpillowtags@lemm.ee
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                      11 months ago

                      As a matter of fact it wasn’t clear that was supposed to be a book! Sounded more like a slogan but you know, let’s all rush to judgement yeah?

                      • GarbageShoot [he/him]
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                        11 months ago

                        Just to be clear, are you saying that you thought "State and Revolution" was a slogan like "Blood and Soil" or "Liberty, Equality, Fraternity"? That would be a very unusual reaction but I'm not asking as a point of judgement.

                        Anyway, it's Lenin's most famous work and you can find it for free very easily online including as text here and as an audiobook here.

                        Personally, I think the best introductory work for someone who doesn't have the patience for The Principles of Communism (and I don't have that patience myself) is Engels' Socialism: Utopian and Scientific, here as text and here as an excellent audiobook.

                        Let me know if there's anything that I can do to help.

                        • ieatpillowtags@lemm.ee
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                          11 months ago

                          Yes, that’s what I thought lol. In my defense, posting in here led to my inbox blowing up so I didn’t spend much time thinking about it.

                          • GarbageShoot [he/him]
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                            11 months ago

                            No worries. It's no coincidence that your education system, like mine, probably didn't inform you about those sorts of things.

                          • silent_water [she/her]
                            hexagon
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                            11 months ago

                            it's generally a good idea to Google something you suspect is a slogan as it's frequently some fascist BS. that would have pulled up the work for free from a number of places. I assumed you had done that and were calling Lenin a nationalist.

                          • puff [comrade/them]
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                            11 months ago

                            I respect you admitting as much but I also whole-heartedly recommend that you give the book a read, or even Stalin's book 'Dialectical and Historical Materialism' if you're looking for something shorter... I was very much like you once and reading books like these helped me understand a lot of things.

                      • KurtVonnegut [comrade/them]
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                        11 months ago

                        Here on Hexbear we assume everyone knows who Vladimir Lenin is. He is very famous. He was in the Beatles!

                      • nat_turner_overdrive [he/him]
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                        11 months ago

                        you literally rushed to judgement without knowing what it was

                        it's unbelievable how incredibly dumb reddit libs are

              • GarbageShoot [he/him]
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                11 months ago

                Yeah and "Combat Liberalism" sounds like a handbook for English martial arts.

          • aaaaaaadjsf [he/him, comrade/them]
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            edit-2
            11 months ago

            Actually reading something for yourself? Literally any literature.

            Michael Parenti, Samir Amin and Vijay Prashad's works are good starting points in my opinion.