• Unmarketable Plushie@pawb.social
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    10 months ago

    I'm a socialist you fucking loser. Shut the fuck up and think before assuming I'm a fascist for disagreeing with you.

    The Soviet Union and The People's Republic of China are #1 and #2 for the greatest reductions in poverty and improvements to living standards in human history.

    HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

    • AntiOutsideAktion [he/him]
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      Did I say you were a fascist? I said that anti-communism leaves the door open to fascists. And I said that ideologically vulgar anti-communism is the underpinning of fascism. These are both true. If you make your community about anti-communism, fascists will come. And fascism gains power when the capitalist class is in crisis and chooses a less profitable closed society that keeps the left in check rather than see their power realistically challenged.

      You can laugh all you want at easily researched facts but they're still true. China. I'll edit when I find one for the USSR that isn't a lecture or a book, but in the meantime reflect on how they went from feudal farmers to the first people in space within a generation yuri Oh. And they did it without the stolen wealth of entire continents in the southern hemisphere.

          • Unmarketable Plushie@pawb.social
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            10 months ago

            He would actually put me in a gulag for being queer, an anarchist, and an Esperantist; but if historical revisionism is what helps you sleep at night, you do you.

            • ReadFanon [any, any]
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              10 months ago

              Maybe anarchists shouldn't have murdered Bolsheviks and attempted to enact terror plots against the Soviet Union and they wouldn't have gotten liquidated by the USSR?

              Just sayin'

              • Unmarketable Plushie@pawb.social
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                10 months ago

                It's funny how you use the word "murder" to describe the anarchists' killing and then switch to a euphemism ("liquidate") the second you talk about the USSR's killing.

                Shows how completely brainwashed you are.

                • ReadFanon [any, any]
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                  Liquidate doesn't refer to murder though. Liquidation means to dissolve or disband political organisations, which is what I was referring to.

                  If you think that I'm euphemising the fact that the Red Army destroyed the Black Army then your implicit bias is showing because they were at war with one another. Murder isn't something that is applied to enemy armies which have engaged one another in war. I'm not complaining about the Black Army killing Bolsheviks in war. That's what happens.

                  I'm talking about literal extrajudicial murders of Bolsheviks by the Makhnovist secret police.

                  Edit:

                  I forgot that I'm talking to an anarchist.

                  Sources: Nestor Makhno in the Russian Civil War by Malet, pp. 51-52, 103-104, and 129. Before you say it, here's Malet in his own words in the preface:

                  It will be clear from the book that the author has some sympathy with Makhno and his ideals, but he trusts that this has not led to gross distortion or untruth.

                  Kontrrazvedka: The Story of the Makhnovist Intelligence Service by Azarov, pp 32-33 but there's plenty more in there too. Before you say it about him, too:

                  Azarov was active in the Social-Democratic Party of Ukraine but left that party when its anarchist fractions were expelled. In 1999 Azarov was one of the founders of the political party “Union of Anarchists of Ukraine” (SAU). At the founding congress Azarov was elected chair of the the chief executive organ of the SAU.

            • SuperNovaCouchGuy2 [any]
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              10 months ago

              an anarchist, and an Esperantist

              mein freund you are none of those, you post on the internet and watch v*ush (🤮) streams, anarchists irl are jailed and murdered in the west for trying to make the world a better place, would you like a book recommendation?

                  • Nakoichi [he/him]
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                    10 months ago

                    Death to Amerikkka indeed.

                    https://www.gofundme.com/f/chunka-luta-summer-fundraiser

                    We are going to make this a reality.

                    We travel the Red Road and if you want to join us you are welcome to dm me.

                    Also we already did make a part of this reality. We raised twice as much as we had hoped for with the summer fund raiser. We are doing much more.

                    • SuperNovaCouchGuy2 [any]
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                      10 months ago

                      Also we already did make a part of this reality. We raised twice as much as we had hoped for with the summer fund raiser. We are doing much more.

                      Holy shit man congratulations, that is some spectacular work to say the least! A huge step on the journey to build a better future in the face of the american empire. You and your comrade's struggle is truly inspirational.

                      • Nakoichi [he/him]
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                        10 months ago

                        It is disheartening though to see people like the OP and the fact they still retain their position on this instance.

                        Sungmanitu is an indigenous two spirit comrade and to see folks like them dismissed as "tankies" is hurtful

                        These people are not our allies or comrades and they need to be called out and ostracized because they are harmful to our goals.

                        • SuperNovaCouchGuy2 [any]
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                          10 months ago

                          Absolutely! Fuck the lot of them, its just beyond absurdity that some fucking v*ush (🤮) fans whose "praxis" amounts to sitting in front of the computer to watch some state dept. failson assclown parrot imperialist talking points and then nothing else have the utter gall to scoff at the work of people who fight an anti-imperialist struggle for their communities day in and day out, breathing life into liberation theory and carrying the torch of communism's great legacy against all odds so their people may finally be free.

                          And they fucking dare dismiss the fact that the people they look down on lost ancestors, family and friends, dying in agony because of the white supremacist status quo that they have tied their egoes towards running apologetics for? To call people "tankies lol" because they criticize the country that has a systematic extermination program that kills their loved ones?? What the fuck???

                          Idk its so unreal, I would not want to come within 500 metres of these sick liberal bastards IRL.

            • Egon [they/them]
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              10 months ago

              an anarchist, and an Esperantist

              You are, at the very best, a left-com. Get out of your armchair and start building a parallel power structure instead of watching vaush and bashing countries whose existence you can only influence insofar as to urge your congressman to nuke them.

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          • Unmarketable Plushie@pawb.social
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            10 months ago

            And then he pushed the Doctors' Plot conspiracy theories and had Jews arrested and tortured for crimes they didn't commit, but I guess that didn't happen in your little fantasy land.

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              • ReadFanon [any, any]
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                10 months ago

                Show

                Even in Stalin's time there was collective leadership. Misunderstandinga on that subject are caused by a lack of comprehension of the real nature and organisation of the communist party structure. Stalin, although holding wide powers, was merely the captain of the team and it seems obvious that Khrushchev will be the next captain.

                — CIA documents, 1950s

        • Ram_The_Manparts [he/him]
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          10 months ago

          You're an anti-communist clown that would gladly collaborate with fascists

          In fact, you're actively hoping for an opportunity to do so, just so you could oWn tHe tAnKiEs

          Eat shit

            • Nakoichi [he/him]
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              10 months ago

              Let me rephrase that in a way you might better understand:

              You're an anti-communist clown that would gladly collaborate with fascists

              In fact, you're actively hoping for an opportunity to do so, just so you could oWn tHe tAnKiEs

              Eat shit

              Ah shit I just said the same thing @Ram_The_Manparts@hexbear.net said, ah well guess there isn't any better way to say it shrug-outta-hecks

              • Unmarketable Plushie@pawb.social
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                10 months ago

                Today I learner that I, a far left anarchist that desires the complete abolition of state and a direct democracy of the people, is an "anti communist clown that would gladly collaborate with fascists". And that apparently worshipping totalitarian dictatorships is the only real form of leftism and is definitely not fascism with a red coat of paint.

                In fact, you're actively hoping for an opportunity to do so, just so you could oWn tHe tAnKiEs

                Care to show me where I ever said that?

                • Nakoichi [he/him]
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                  10 months ago

                  You're defending a literal fascist right now in this very thread.

                  Moss is a piece of shit and this instance is full of actual genocide deniers

                  Like this https://hexbear.net/post/372306

                    • Nakoichi [he/him]
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                      10 months ago

                      What exactly are you talking about? Where is my genocide denial?

                        • Nakoichi [he/him]
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                          10 months ago

                          So you have nothing?

                          Got it.

                          You're not even siding with genocide deniers you're siding with people that openly admit that genocide is justified.

                            • LesbianLiberty [she/her]
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                              10 months ago

                              The Soviet Union ended the Holocaust, the only thing standing between the annihilation of Korea was the DPRK, without the communist party China would have been erased and become japanese territory. The people most able and willing to end genocide at the end of the day are communists.

                                • edge [he/him]
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                                  Ahh yes, the “genocide” triggered by a drought and kulaks burning crops out of spite where more Russians and Kazakhs died than Ukrainians. And the “genocide” where Uyghurs were exempted from the one child rule and have an increasing population, and there’s zero evidence (or even claims) of any killings.

                                • 1nt3rd1m3nt10n4l [he/him]
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                                  10 months ago

                                  "Double Genocide" historiography is literally Nazi propaganda. It's not even a view supported by actual academic researchers & historians who are critical of the states which you are talking about.

                                • Egon [they/them]
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                                  10 months ago

                                  Prove it. Hit me with your state dep drivel, come one let's see your zenz sources. Let's see some radio free Asia or some long since debunked malcalculus of 50 bazillion dead that counts "people that would have been born" and dead nazis.

                                • sammer510 [none/use name]
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                                  10 months ago

                                  The only things the Soviets did wrong was not killing enough people actually. Too many Nazis were allowed to survive by the US and UK

                            • Nakoichi [he/him]
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                              10 months ago

                              I'm not even a tankie lol you make all these assumptions about me just because of the instance I am on.

                                • Egon [they/them]
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                                  10 months ago

                                  It's what you deserve. Good faith discourse is reserved for those that are willing to engage in it wojak-nooo

                            • ReadFanon [any, any]
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                              10 months ago

                              Yikes!

                              You:

                              You don't know shit about my political opinions

                              Also you:

                              Stop putting words in my mouth you little shit, you KNOW I don't think that

                              Remarkable how you apply a completely different standard of behaviour to others than you do to yourself. The person you replied to literally has an anarchist flag in their profile picture and, if you wanted to, you'd be able to confirm that they're an anarchist based on their comment history. Or you could have just asked. Heck, you could have even told them straight up that you're skeptical of their political orientation and you'd probably get a straight answer out of them in response.

                              I wonder what an anarchist would have to say about a person who egregiously and wilfully applies double standards? They probably wouldn't care. It's not like it's a big deal to anarchists to avoid the imposing of unjust hierarchies in the attempt to coerce others into silence and/or being banned via guilt-by-association. It's probably completely fine.

                            • tuga [he/him]
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                              10 months ago

                              Look at the way you talk, you're a child

                        • edge [he/him]
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                          10 months ago

                          Guilt by association fallacy

                          You're siding with the genocide denialists

                          limmy-what

                • Flaps [he/him]
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                  10 months ago

                  Curious, just a few comments up you said you were a socialist

                    • Flaps [he/him]
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                      10 months ago

                      a far left anarchist that desires the complete abolition of state

                      This is litteraly your previous comment. So what are you?

                      I mean, you're more than welcome to learn from us on Hexbear in good faith, but so far you just came out of the gate swinging, calling everyone a 'tankie' while the more you speak the more clear it gets that you don't know what you're talking about. So don't be surprised when people rightfully dunk on you. I too have a lot to learn but at least I know when to shut up.

                        • Flaps [he/him]
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                          10 months ago

                          You've already proven you don't know shit, don't have to keep doing that. So are you an anarchist or a socialist? Can you even differentiate between the two when it comes to the role of the state?

                          • Unmarketable Plushie@pawb.social
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                            10 months ago

                            I'm an anarcho-socialist you whiny piece of shit. Anarchy. is. a. type. of. socialist. theory. I can't believe you call yourself a fucking leftist and don't even know that. It just goes to show how all you tankies are right wing LARPers pretending to be leftist because they like the aesthetics.

                            • Flaps [he/him]
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                              Yeah this ain't it chief. Still didn't awnser as to how socialists and anarchists differentiate when it comes to how both ideologies envision the role of the state.

                              But considering you act like you know all that, maybe explain it to me?

                              But you know what, on second thought, fuck it. There's no point on dunking you any further, it would just make me feel as pathetic as you. So far you've called yourself a socialist, an anarchist, an anarcho-socialist, without even giving a hint of having ever read anything that makes you able of even identifying what's what.

        • Flaps [he/him]
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          10 months ago

          You don't know shit about my political opinions

          Neither do you it seems. I'm going to assume a couple of things here, correct me if I'm wrong.

          • You live in a western country
          • you're no older than 25
          • you've never read any theory. No Engels, no Marx, no Lenin, no Luxembourg, nothing.
          • you spend a lot of time watching streamers. probably v*ush, which is the only one I've heard of so far and god do I wish I didn't.
          • your political and ideological views are pretty much a direct representation of the views of said streamers.
          • anything to the left of you, you consider 'wrongthink', and attempt to shut down your own learning process by calling everyone who says things you don't like a tankie.
          • you don't like tankies because they are 'authoritarian' but refuse to learn what the question of authority actually entails. I'll link Engels' 'On authority' so you can read that and see where we're coming from (https://www.marxists.org/archive/marx/works/1872/10/authority.htm). There are also audiobooks because I'm assuming you won't read this either.
          • you can't spell 'bourgeoisie' without looking it up on the internet.
          • ReadFanon [any, any]
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            10 months ago
            • You believe that communists stabbed Makhnovia in the back

            • You believe that Makhnovia was an example of anarchist principals put into practice

            • You have no idea that the Makhnovists had a secret police, that they engaged in the summary execution of political rivals, and that committed genocidal acts against German settlers and especially Mennonites in Ukraine

            • You believe that communists stabbed the Spanish Republic in the back

            • You believe that major parts of the Spanish Republic are an example of anarchism put into practice

            • You have no idea that the Spanish Republic had forced labour camps, extreme levels of control over labourers and the movement and spending habits of the people, zero desire to lose their colonial holdings over the part of Morocco that was their colony because they aspired to colonise more of Africa and that they rejected overtures from the Moroccan people who sued for independence with very favourable conditions for the Spanish Republic, and all the apparatuses of state that you would expect from a typical government

            • You are unable to provide a functional definition of fascism without looking it up

            • GreatWhiteNope [she/her]
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              10 months ago

              That’s a pretty big assumption that they’d have enough historical knowledge to even know these were a thing.

              • Egon [they/them]
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                10 months ago

                Nah robert evans did an episode about Makhno and listening to podcasts is probably all the theory this user needs

          • Egon [they/them]
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            10 months ago

            you can't spell 'bourgeoisie' without looking it up on the internet.

            side-eye-1 side-eye-2 wouldn't be me

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    • Awoo [she/her]
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      10 months ago

      The Soviet Union and The People's Republic of China are #1 and #2 for the greatest reductions in poverty and improvements to living standards in human history.

      This is a factually true statement. You should check it.

      • Unmarketable Plushie@pawb.social
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        10 months ago

        Stalin would've thrown you in a gulag for being a "sexual deviant" if you lived in the Soviet Union during his reign. In China you are just straight up not allowed to get HRT unless you have a clean criminal record and your ENTIRE FAMILY approves on top of the standard medical gatekeeping. If even one family member disapproves of your transition (which is almost certainly likely considering how popular transphobia is there) the government is like "nope sorry can't help you there" and will throw you in prison if you try to get HRT by other means.

        I do not know why the fuck you want to lick boots that would kick you in the face.

        • Awoo [she/her]
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          10 months ago

          So? The europeans were imprisoning and chemically castrating us at the time. It was queer people in the GDR that caused a lot of the social movements that improved Europe on lgbt issues in fact. Here's a great video on that topic.

          You are yet another liberal that only views history by comparing it to the present instead of within its correct historical context.

          I also don't see what it has to do with the previous factually correct statement. You are desperately diverting away from the point.