Man, it especially sucks knowing that Voosh is one of the few sane(?) lefty commentators who aren’t full on “America Bad” tankies who may as well be accelerationists at this point.
Imagine claiming to be a leftist and not being against the US. What the fuck even is their ideology?
It's going to get worse on the H3 end, I'm sorry to tell you.
By the next podcast episode Vaush is probably going to lose even more subs.
Most of his subscribers at this point are "but muh context" apologists. Anyone paying attention has known he's a pedo for years.
Vaush’s career is going to collapse because of the “revelation”that he has a folder of furry horseporn? The shock! Who would have known our cult leader had such a terrible secret?
Look at them still trying to deny the pedophilia.
My only solace is the distinction between labeling someone a pedophile and saying they have 2 images that could be interpreted as loli. I know the distinction, and I know from that that much more needs to be established to consider vaush a pedophile. What we have is essentially nothing.
What we have is essentially nothing.
Vaushites love to repeat this claim, so here's a list of all the gross pedo shit Vaush has said over the years (all sourced, many of them are videos of him directly saying these things) (copied and cleaned up a little from this 2 year old post).
If you combine all of his comments in the CW section, with the fact that he was caught red handed for having virtual lolicon CSAM on his PC, you could build a solid court case against vaush based on just the publicly available evidence. That's not even considering what would happen if the feds data mined his PC. This guy could legitimately end up on probation or house arrest with restricted internet access if anyone decides to initiate legal proceedings against him.
Also admitting to distribution of virtual CSAM is a much more serious offence than just being in possession of it. And if that claim of admitting ownership of that twitter account is correct, vaush could be in serious legal trouble if anyone dares to take him to court over this.
Someone here said that although the word of the law could include drawn csam, the precedent is that they don't prosecute it, they would only prosecute like essentially Photoshops that make an image indistinguishable from csam photography
If the horse images are photorealistic then maybe that would be prosecutable, idk.
Although under obscenity laws, there's no limit to what is illegal, it's just jury opinion basically
From my knowledge, drawn CSAM has been prosecuted, but only when there's been other charges. Like "Wait, this guy who makes cp also has drawn images? Let's add that to his charges." As far as I know, nobody has ever been charged solely for possession of drawn CSAM.
As far as I know, nobody has ever been charged solely for possession of drawn CSAM.
It's more "they haven't been convicted at trial, and had the conviction stand on appeal unless there were considerable other factors at work," but it seems like it became vanishingly rare for anyone to be charged solely for it once the courts started shooting that down, leading to the apparent status quo that it's only ever an extra charge tossed in on top of other charges. I've heard even written material has on rare occasions led to charges on its own, but never a conviction that wasn't a plea deal. So cops and prosecutors sometimes still press charges, but since they know it won't hold up in court they only bother doing it if they really want to.
Like the wikipedia link in one of the other posts had just two entries for "convictions," one of which was a plea deal for 5 years of probation and no registration as a sex offender.
Handley entered a guilty plea in May 2009; at Chase's recommendation he accepted a plea bargain believing it highly unlikely a jury would acquit him if shown the images in question
I don't want to know what the images were... That must have been some horrific stuff
Ngl fed jacketing of Vaush is pretty dumb imo, if he was a fed I think he'd be a lot more competent, and wouldn't have said stuff like that he supported Palestine even in the days following October 7th when loads of libs were plastering 🇮🇱s everywhere
I mean, if he was flipped by the feds he could still be espousing his genuine opinions on the stream and everything. I don't think there's any reason to believe he's receiving talking points from the CIA or anybody, but a lot of his behavior is consistent with FBI trained wreckers.
Think about the fact that infiltraitors have gone as far as marry and/or start families to infiltrate socialist spaces, and you'll see that this is actually pretty mild in terms of infiltration tactics
Vaush isn't really an infiltrator though, he's not joining irl leftist groups to sabotage. He just puts out his garbage content that panders to the shittiest brand of "leftism" in the west. I doubt any of his fans would be forming the Red Guards if it weren't for him, they'd probably be garbage Succs even without his influence. So it makes me question what the fuck his utility his to the Feds if he is one, give Libs a cringe figure to rally around? If anything doesn't that HURT their cause?
I'm more and more thinking he's just a narcissistic idiot, not an Op.
Imagine claiming to be a leftist and not being against the US. What the fuck even is their ideology?
Most of his subscribers at this point are "but muh context" apologists. Anyone paying attention has known he's a pedo for years.
Look at them still trying to deny the pedophilia.
Vaushites love to repeat this claim, so here's a list of all the gross pedo shit Vaush has said over the years (all sourced, many of them are videos of him directly saying these things) (copied and cleaned up a little from this 2 year old post).
CW massive pedophilia
Vaush said: "I have yet to hear a convincing moral or legal argument as to why possession of child pornography should be illegal"
Vaush said: "If you are not paying for child pornography there is no argument in favor of morally condemning people who view it."
Vaush said: "I don't even think owning child pornography is immoral."
Vaush said: "I would not say that it's unethical for a person to purchase child pornography"
Vaush said: "I don't think you should morally impugn anyone who purchases child porn."
Vaush said: "applying a hypercritical moral condemnation" to the "child porn industry"(?!) is "lib shit."
He goes on to further say that it's hypocritical to partake in exploitative industries and be against CP.
Vaush said: "being a pedophile is morally neutral"
Vaush said: "there's a difference between exploring child sexuality and sexualising children" then went on to "joke" about owning CP.
Vaush said that there's "no real difference between buying a t-shirt and buying CP"
Vaush reacted with an applause emoji to someone who said "I love fucking 11 year olds. So hot."
Asked if anyone had ever fucked a minor as an adult. Replied with "unironically hot"
Asked someone "what did pedos ever do to you?"
Refered to Salem Pedophile trials.
Joined in this conversation about child-sex bots.
Vaush has defended the consumption of child pornography because "there's no ethical consumption under capitalism".
This paints a deeply troubling picture when added to his history of sexually inappropriate behavior, his sharing of drawn CP on Twitter, his claim that "under socialism the age of consent "should be lowered" and this exchange on Discord.
Here's Vaush admitting to ownership of a Twitter account that shares drawn child pornography.
Here's an archive link showing some of the stuff that account "likes" on Twitter.
Vaush said, in defense of a man who wanted to have sex with children, that "the age of consent is a social construct" He went on to say that leftists have a "kneejerk dissavowal of alternative looks at what constitutes sexual maturity"
Vaush said: "men, at least in the west, are kind of taught to be a little pedophiley"
Vaush said: “Statistically speaking, there are 370 people watching right now. I'd be willing to bet that at least 20 or 30 of them experience habitual sexual attraction towards children, it's surprisingly common.”
Vaush says he does not believe pedophiles should be imprisoned for owning child porn.
Vaush said: “if you aren’t paying for CP there is no moral or legal argument against that.”
Vaush said he “regret(s) not having more sex with children while he was a child."
Vaush said: “It is possible for an adult and a child to have a sexual relationship and for it to have positive outcomes, on the child as well.”
Vaush implies masturbating to child porn is completely normal and that he has done it before
Vaush believes that most men experience the strongest sexual attraction to girls aged 14-17.
Why does everyone accuse this streamer who says so much pedo shit of being a pedophile?!
Fascism with free healthcare characteristics
If you combine all of his comments in the CW section, with the fact that he was caught red handed for having virtual lolicon CSAM on his PC, you could build a solid court case against vaush based on just the publicly available evidence. That's not even considering what would happen if the feds data mined his PC. This guy could legitimately end up on probation or house arrest with restricted internet access if anyone decides to initiate legal proceedings against him.
Also admitting to distribution of virtual CSAM is a much more serious offence than just being in possession of it. And if that claim of admitting ownership of that twitter account is correct, vaush could be in serious legal trouble if anyone dares to take him to court over this.
Someone here said that although the word of the law could include drawn csam, the precedent is that they don't prosecute it, they would only prosecute like essentially Photoshops that make an image indistinguishable from csam photography
If the horse images are photorealistic then maybe that would be prosecutable, idk.
Although under obscenity laws, there's no limit to what is illegal, it's just jury opinion basically
From my knowledge, drawn CSAM has been prosecuted, but only when there's been other charges. Like "Wait, this guy who makes cp also has drawn images? Let's add that to his charges." As far as I know, nobody has ever been charged solely for possession of drawn CSAM.
It's more "they haven't been convicted at trial, and had the conviction stand on appeal unless there were considerable other factors at work," but it seems like it became vanishingly rare for anyone to be charged solely for it once the courts started shooting that down, leading to the apparent status quo that it's only ever an extra charge tossed in on top of other charges. I've heard even written material has on rare occasions led to charges on its own, but never a conviction that wasn't a plea deal. So cops and prosecutors sometimes still press charges, but since they know it won't hold up in court they only bother doing it if they really want to.
Like the wikipedia link in one of the other posts had just two entries for "convictions," one of which was a plea deal for 5 years of probation and no registration as a sex offender.
It looks like there's one: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_v._Handley
I don't want to know what the images were... That must have been some horrific stuff
People in the US have been prosecuted for having obscene anime and manga content depicting minors before. There is precedent, as long as it's obscene.
There has been a theory that he's been caught, and the FBI has been using him as an informant.
Ngl fed jacketing of Vaush is pretty dumb imo, if he was a fed I think he'd be a lot more competent, and wouldn't have said stuff like that he supported Palestine even in the days following October 7th when loads of libs were plastering 🇮🇱s everywhere
I mean, if he was flipped by the feds he could still be espousing his genuine opinions on the stream and everything. I don't think there's any reason to believe he's receiving talking points from the CIA or anybody, but a lot of his behavior is consistent with FBI trained wreckers.
That would make him being fairly pro-Palestine kinda weird
Think about the fact that infiltraitors have gone as far as marry and/or start families to infiltrate socialist spaces, and you'll see that this is actually pretty mild in terms of infiltration tactics
Vaush isn't really an infiltrator though, he's not joining irl leftist groups to sabotage. He just puts out his garbage content that panders to the shittiest brand of "leftism" in the west. I doubt any of his fans would be forming the Red Guards if it weren't for him, they'd probably be garbage Succs even without his influence. So it makes me question what the fuck his utility his to the Feds if he is one, give Libs a cringe figure to rally around? If anything doesn't that HURT their cause?
I'm more and more thinking he's just a narcissistic idiot, not an Op.
I mean he is kinda a cult leader and the CIA has a real history with that sort of thing
Not saying he's definitely a modern Jim Jones but there could be something there
How the fuck can you know about the 21st century so far and think anything else but "America bad"?
Guy who uses the "no ethical consumption under capitalism" argument to justify pedophilia... no words...
Buh b but muh clip chimping!