Sorry it's become even more undeniable your senpai is a fucking creep.
CW: Vaush, discussions of CP
Man, it especially sucks knowing that Voosh is one of the few sane(?) lefty commentators who aren’t full on “America Bad” tankies who may as well be accelerationists at this point.
Imagine claiming to be a leftist and not being against the US. What the fuck even is their ideology?
It's going to get worse on the H3 end, I'm sorry to tell you.
By the next podcast episode Vaush is probably going to lose even more subs.
Most of his subscribers at this point are "but muh context" apologists. Anyone paying attention has known he's a pedo for years.
Vaush’s career is going to collapse because of the “revelation”that he has a folder of furry horseporn? The shock! Who would have known our cult leader had such a terrible secret?
Look at them still trying to deny the pedophilia.
My only solace is the distinction between labeling someone a pedophile and saying they have 2 images that could be interpreted as loli. I know the distinction, and I know from that that much more needs to be established to consider vaush a pedophile. What we have is essentially nothing.
What we have is essentially nothing.
Vaushites love to repeat this claim, so here's a list of all the gross pedo shit Vaush has said over the years (all sourced, many of them are videos of him directly saying these things) (copied and cleaned up a little from this 2 year old post).
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Vaush said: "I don't even think owning child pornography is immoral."
Vaush said: "I would not say that it's unethical for a person to purchase child pornography"
Vaush said: "I don't think you should morally impugn anyone who purchases child porn."
Vaush said: "applying a hypercritical moral condemnation" to the "child porn industry"(?!) is "lib shit."
He goes on to further say that it's hypocritical to partake in exploitative industries and be against CP.
Vaush said: "being a pedophile is morally neutral"
Vaush said: "there's a difference between exploring child sexuality and sexualising children" then went on to "joke" about owning CP.
Vaush said that there's "no real difference between buying a t-shirt and buying CP"
Vaush reacted with an applause emoji to someone who said "I love fucking 11 year olds. So hot."
Asked if anyone had ever fucked a minor as an adult. Replied with "unironically hot"
Asked someone "what did pedos ever do to you?"
Refered to Salem Pedophile trials.
Joined in this conversation about child-sex bots.
Vaush has defended the consumption of child pornography because "there's no ethical consumption under capitalism".
This paints a deeply troubling picture when added to his history of sexually inappropriate behavior, his sharing of drawn CP on Twitter, his claim that "under socialism the age of consent "should be lowered" and this exchange on Discord.
Here's Vaush admitting to ownership of a Twitter account that shares drawn child pornography.
Here's an archive link showing some of the stuff that account "likes" on Twitter.
Vaush said, in defense of a man who wanted to have sex with children, that "the age of consent is a social construct" He went on to say that leftists have a "kneejerk dissavowal of alternative looks at what constitutes sexual maturity"
Vaush said: "men, at least in the west, are kind of taught to be a little pedophiley"
Vaush says he does not believe pedophiles should be imprisoned for owning child porn.
Vaush said: “if you aren’t paying for CP there is no moral or legal argument against that.”
Vaush said he “regret(s) not having more sex with children while he was a child."
Vaush implies masturbating to child porn is completely normal and that he has done it before
Vaush believes that most men experience the strongest sexual attraction to girls aged 14-17.
Why does everyone accuse this streamer who says so much pedo shit of being a pedophile?!
What the fuck even is their ideology?
Fascism with free healthcare characteristics
If you combine all of his comments in the CW section, with the fact that he was caught red handed for having virtual lolicon CSAM on his PC, you could build a solid court case against vaush based on just the publicly available evidence. That's not even considering what would happen if the feds data mined his PC. This guy could legitimately end up on probation or house arrest with restricted internet access if anyone decides to initiate legal proceedings against him.
Also admitting to distribution of virtual CSAM is a much more serious offence than just being in possession of it. And if that claim of admitting ownership of that twitter account is correct, vaush could be in serious legal trouble if anyone dares to take him to court over this.
Someone here said that although the word of the law could include drawn csam, the precedent is that they don't prosecute it, they would only prosecute like essentially Photoshops that make an image indistinguishable from csam photography
If the horse images are photorealistic then maybe that would be prosecutable, idk.
Although under obscenity laws, there's no limit to what is illegal, it's just jury opinion basically
From my knowledge, drawn CSAM has been prosecuted, but only when there's been other charges. Like "Wait, this guy who makes cp also has drawn images? Let's add that to his charges." As far as I know, nobody has ever been charged solely for possession of drawn CSAM.
As far as I know, nobody has ever been charged solely for possession of drawn CSAM.
It's more "they haven't been convicted at trial, and had the conviction stand on appeal unless there were considerable other factors at work," but it seems like it became vanishingly rare for anyone to be charged solely for it once the courts started shooting that down, leading to the apparent status quo that it's only ever an extra charge tossed in on top of other charges. I've heard even written material has on rare occasions led to charges on its own, but never a conviction that wasn't a plea deal. So cops and prosecutors sometimes still press charges, but since they know it won't hold up in court they only bother doing it if they really want to.
Like the wikipedia link in one of the other posts had just two entries for "convictions," one of which was a plea deal for 5 years of probation and no registration as a sex offender.
It looks like there's one: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_v._Handley
Handley entered a guilty plea in May 2009; at Chase's recommendation he accepted a plea bargain believing it highly unlikely a jury would acquit him if shown the images in question
I don't want to know what the images were... That must have been some horrific stuff
People in the US have been prosecuted for having obscene anime and manga content depicting minors before. There is precedent, as long as it's obscene.
There has been a theory that he's been caught, and the FBI has been using him as an informant.
Ngl fed jacketing of Vaush is pretty dumb imo, if he was a fed I think he'd be a lot more competent, and wouldn't have said stuff like that he supported Palestine even in the days following October 7th when loads of libs were plastering 🇮🇱s everywhere
I mean, if he was flipped by the feds he could still be espousing his genuine opinions on the stream and everything. I don't think there's any reason to believe he's receiving talking points from the CIA or anybody, but a lot of his behavior is consistent with FBI trained wreckers.
Think about the fact that infiltraitors have gone as far as marry and/or start families to infiltrate socialist spaces, and you'll see that this is actually pretty mild in terms of infiltration tactics
Vaush isn't really an infiltrator though, he's not joining irl leftist groups to sabotage. He just puts out his garbage content that panders to the shittiest brand of "leftism" in the west. I doubt any of his fans would be forming the Red Guards if it weren't for him, they'd probably be garbage Succs even without his influence. So it makes me question what the fuck his utility his to the Feds if he is one, give Libs a cringe figure to rally around? If anything doesn't that HURT their cause?
I'm more and more thinking he's just a narcissistic idiot, not an Op.
I mean he is kinda a cult leader and the CIA has a real history with that sort of thing
Not saying he's definitely a modern Jim Jones but there could be something there
Guy who uses the "no ethical consumption under capitalism" argument to justify pedophilia... no words...
aren’t full on “America Bad” tankies
How the fuck can you know about the 21st century so far and think anything else but "America bad"?
vibes all around. lot of comments complaining about that yemeni teenager make that pretty clear.
It's hilarious that they are this ride-or-die and loyal for a fucking bland chauvinist soc dem. Like, dime-a-dozen bland ass boring social democrat. I would understand more if some were esoteric, radical ideologists clinging cult-like to a personality but it's hilarious to see people bending over, embarrassing themselves defending pedophilia and bestiality on behalf of... an annoying white boring soc dem centrist who wants things to stay the same but add healthcare.
I mean, the Blueanon / BlueMAGA types are doing it for a walking corpse who tries to kill them, and the original MAGA types did it for the most queeny and venal man on the planet. So it seems like there is just something deeply wrong with the yanks at the moment.
Regardless of his politics he's just... so fucking boring and mid. At least be rude or die for someone cool for fucks sakes!
People love when they're told what they already want to hear
the principle of 'anyone who brings up a sexual inclination in a recurrent manner probably has that sexual inclination' continues to be true
also, as a neurotic infosec gal, I have to bring it up: what a fucking rookie mistake. even if the shit he had on his drive wasn't totally creepo, it's just bad practice to have fetishistic/pornographic material that easily accessible on a public-facing computer. 'never have your porn folder a click away' is basic fucking wisdom. buy an external drive. make an encrypted disk image. buy a laptop. nest the folder to hell and back. add literally any degree of separation between shit you don't want to air out publicly and your stream pc. foolish horndog behavior.
the principle of 'anyone who brings up a sexual inclination in a recurrent manner probably has that sexual inclination' continues to be true
Yea this is pretty much what I expect anytime some chud does actual virtue signaling by telling everybody completely unprompted about how much they are deffinitly against pedophiles
Chuds who unpromptedly claim to hate pedophiles, gay people, women, and trans people:
pans with pedo characteristics
All he had to do was create a porn-only and streamer-only Windows accounts with limited access rights for both and lock down his streamer-only Windows account so that it can't see anything that's not in the user folder.
Or even put all the porn on an external drive and unplug it when he streams. There were so many ways he could have avoided this.
He prolly does just that but downloads so fucking much that he ends up putting it in other folders too.
This was just a slip-up. There's no way in hell that's all he has downloaded, or is the most incriminating.
Edit: This whole thing is just in the "TO BE SORTED" folder...
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The way he likes to play devil's advocate about actual CSAM there's no doubt he has some of it stashed away on one of his drives. Can't wait for the Olympic-level mental gymnastics from his fanboys when he accidentally flashes some of that on a stream.
guy should just have two computers and commit his crimes in a room that doesn't have cameras that he voluntarily set up and turns on.
Okay it's not always true, I mention Mozart's shit kinks and Joyce's fartlust a lot but it's part of a larger point I'm usually making about how fetishes didn't get invented in 1985, I promise
damn I could sure use a whole twitch fanbase coming up with justifications for me right about now
they're "feeling very doomer" because this makes their favourite internet personality harder to defend? This shit is pathetic
also they seem to have convinced themselves that what he had there is not actually CP. Why? Is it just because it's drawn?
Some of them are pretending it doesn't exist and are acting incredulous as if people are only getting upset about the horse stuff. Just a straight up denial of reality.
The horse stuff is the thing I'm least worried about honestly. Okay so he maybe a bit of a furry
theres a difference between anthropomorphic ppl and zoophilia
okay yeah thats what you're saying but im just trying to process this whole situation how are people not leaving this guy
A lot of these people were convinced that their streamer was the next coming of Marx, the only true leftist on earth. It was weird cultish behavior and now with the pedo stuff out in the open, it's even more like a cult.
it's been more or less out in the open for ages. Everyone who would listen already knew he was a MASSIVE piece of shit and creep
Imagine getting “blackpilled” because your extremely stupid parasocial friend ended up actually being a pedophile instead of ironically being a pedophile.
Like holy fuck just stop attaching yourself to them. Go touch grass.
They list other instances of him being a apedo and as far as I can tell their loguc is "it's not child porn because if it was somebody I like would have been repeatedly caught liking cartoon child porn which would make me wrong which obviously isn't possible"
That would be the best defense but unfortunately for Vaush, he's already on video explaining that lolicon is pedophilia. So he has to go "I didn't know she was a kid officer, I thought she was a goblin"
I didn't know she was a kid officer, I thought she was a goblin
lmao is that a shaun reference?
holy shit shaun lol
I don't watch twitch and haven't seen a shaun vid in a bit but damn that made me laugh hard for such a low effort gag
The fairest I can possibly be is it's the "this isn't CSAM because no actual children are involved" take, just worded badly
Like it's still fucking creepy but that's at least it's an argument
Pedophilia just means sexual attraction to children. That’s it. If you jerk it to Loli you are by definition a pedophile. It doesn’t require CSAM or actual sexual abuse.
Those comments giving me cult vibes. "The problem isn't that he's a creep... the problem is people found out he's a creep"
They've been running defense for so long this is second nature to them. Before I stopped using
there was a Vaushite that trolled through literally years of my post history looking for stuff that sounded questionable and then made a master post that he would follow me around with and post underneath my comments, I think trying to show how wrong it was to take things "out of context".I told them it was flattering to receive that level of derangement because I would remind people on posts about
that he threatened to SA a woman who refused to fuck him.The same woman he coincidentally said that he imagines her as a loli directly to her
I had almost memory holed that bit and just remembered that he had told her that she looked very young for her age.
I gotta say, the couple of times I've found myself considered a "friend" in some unrelated niche hobby community by someone who turned out to be a vaush/destiny devotee, this is exactly the type of impression I got.
Lots of enormous essay replies in arguments with them, inscrutable grudges that seemed to last months if not over a year, incredible insecurity about their own appearance of intelligence. (The last part does make sense to me, actually--if it's all about nuance for you, then you have to believe that you have a brain fit for the job I guess)
I think part of it was just trying to harass me into silence. I'm 99% sure it was the same person that reported my account for advocating violence for saying when the revolution comes everyone with a K-On pfp gets the wall (they're always Nazis)
I have never seen people more openly admitting their just ignoring reality.
"If somebody says you're defending pedophilia just don't respond"
That is not the epic comeback you think it is, that's just tacitly approving pedophilia.
It's like they tried to do dirtbag left and missed the point that it only works when you're correct.
"Fucking commie!" "pig poop balls
""You know how thendirtbag left I a bunch of crass assholes but ultimately are communists who want to improve life for everybody, what if we did that without trying to make life better"
If he were an actual pedo he would use the exact same excuses.
I guess we could try just directly linking the porn to people
Holy shit these people
like Vaush said, it looks worse with context
Funny, that
If he were an actual pedo he would use the exact same excuses.
How does anyone lack the self-awareness to say something like this unironically?
i'll be honest if he wasn't a pedophile i'd still hate him.
Me looking at this thread with no prior knowledge of what a v*ush is or why, and discovering that a v*ush fan's favoured passtime is literally defending & advocating for pedo shit
you were the best human a few minutes ago, why did you ruin your streak
If it counts
A) I don't know anything else about v*ush
B) hexbear has already ruined me as a person
I'm not going to heap on the psychic damage but this isn't even the creepiest shit he's done and his cultists will always claim that it's "out of context" or "he apologized".
Learning who he is may be the only thing I regret about coming to Hexbear
It sucks but if you spend a couple hours with grass I guarantee you'll completely memory-hole this entire meaningless internet drama, as we all should.
"What news from the posting trenches, captain?"
"I want to be a horse" is also not going over too well
Singing this to the tune of I Want to Be Your Dog by The Stooges
These people need hobbies that aren't just parasocial internet shit. Straight up pathetic how they are seemingly personally embarrassed by this because somehow watching the video game man content has become an inseparable part of their entire personality. Even if you used to watch him just call him a weirdo creep and move on with your life shit is so wack lmao
They also watch people play video games in YouTube and watch people talk a out movies the reviewers saw on YouTube too.
just replicating all the most boring parts of an average kid friend. Like oh awesome dude I love sitting on your couch watching you play single player games that's tight. Oh hell yeah spend the next hour talking about a movie I haven't seen i can't wait
I hate seeing trans people in these reddit comments, please grow brains
It hurts.
Cw:Keffals defending this shit.
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Goddamnit, she's done some great stuff, but holy shit she is so stupid. Like, she's out there trying to run optics for pedo shit while crying about how it's bad for the trans community to be adjacent to it. Like, why the fuck wouldn't your knee jerk reaction be to disown him then?!
Yea, this was the moment to do that. Anyone who continues to ride with him after this truly does not give a shit about anything but clout.
She’s a chronic liar. Just makes up shit about random people and then runs away and cries about “drama” when they rebuke her. Pathetic.
Lmao get fucked. Never liked her clout chasing ass even during the Kiwifarms days. Her pivoting to NATO-Leftism only made it worse.
If you find the YouTube video of Vaush addressing this, the entire comment section is worded in this same way lmao. Hundreds of comments going "I'm so disappointed Ethan could do this" as if Ethan was the one who put the images in Vaush's drive lmao.
Lol I’m so tired of this motherfucker. Can’t believe I have to defend Ethan here. She starts a rant against him publicly, he responds publicly, then she cried about being put on blast? Lmao.
Didn’t she try to “debate” Bad Empanda and just quit the stream midway because she was making up lies about him on the spot, and he was completely caught off guard and confused and questioned why she would say something like that lol
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This is one of the top comments over there:
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Aside from the Redditeur posturing (I know this is going to get a lot of downvotes... UwU👉👈) their strategy is to deflect (muh whataboutism!!) and to say that they know his streams well enough that they can verify that he's not a pedo? Lol. Lmao even.
First things first, you don't know what someone is like behind closed doors. Survivors of CSE will be the first ones to tell you this (if these people spent even 1/1000th of the time listening to survivors as they do Va*sh...)
But what I want to get at here is that these dorks have transcended the parasocial relationship and they have achieved parareality; they're literally convincing themselves that their consooming of a livestreamed spectacle serves as a viable substitute for reality itself.
The best part about this strategy is how it's completely doomed to failure. Some other highlights:
People are trying to figure out if the "Actually, she's a 6,000 year old demon who was reincarnated into the body of a 7yo so the sexual objectification of the character is, diagetically speaking, not pedo shit" defense is going to land.
People are trying to figure out if sharing the context of the images makes it seem worse, and apparently it is even according to the big man himself (!!)
People are trying to figure out if they should tell critics to look up the images themselves (!!)
People are trying to figure out if the best strategy is to simply disengage and to stop responding when this gets brought up.
This is what happens when you crowdsource your PR management strategy to a bunch of 20-something year old grassphobes.
Mans is in his mid-late 20s obsessing about twitch streamers
Wait until you see the 65yo obsessing with morning TV show hosts. Different media, these days delivered almost through the same means, it is the same shit as always.
Feel like this specimen is in between the “brain and social understanding not developed enough and brain is degenerating” spectrum to not be following a streamer to this degree but fair enough I guess
It's weird, it's like a religious affiliation. In the same breath as trying to get people to not look like parasocial freaks, he makes himself look like a thousand times more of a parasocial freak for running cover for someone who he clearly believes is a pedo and is attached to despite that.
Why do they feel the need to tie themselves to vaush, you can just be a socialist and not tie yourself at the hip to some pedo loser who happens to support Palestine
Anyways, there are actual fascist threats in the United States and Palestinians are facing a genocide so this drama is irrelevant anvways.
Lol the sub cries about tankies as if they run America
When the leak happen i honestly thought it was going to be like all other shit vaush has said and it would only be pick up by ML twitter and sometimes ancom twitter but it would get eventually forgotten about.
Im glad H3H3 pick it up, it really fucked over the vaushites now socdems hate him, a nerd i follow in twitter was trying to get in contact with ethan to give him all the evidence of the stuff vaush has said in the past so its going to get worst for the vaushites.
Its funny they are blaming destiny and hasan like its a hit made by them to take out their cult leader, it would be funny if they find out about our vaushbad masterpost and blame us for this.
i saw a lot of nerds on twitter saying "if ethan thought it actually was childporn he would be reporting vaush to the police, not telling his audience about it
"which, is very interesting to me. they think police = the only moral arbiters, and that people should not talk about crimes with other people who aren't the moral arbiters?
I mean people with the evidence should report him to the police anyways. It's pretty serious when you combine it with all the other shit he says.
Also who is to say that the H3 guy hasn't contacted the authorities as of now?
agreed, i really hope he has. it's just a really weird "gotcha" from vaushites
IANAL but I don't think anything shown is illegal in America (V*ush is in San Fran, right?), where the relevant law requires that the image look realistic to be considered CSAM.edit: hmm looks like it has been prosecuted before under the PROTECT act of 2003, but it doesn't seem like settled case law to me since the person who got got was charged with obscenity and not possessing CSAM, which is a different thing. Still if you took this kind of stuff to the Circuit or Supreme courts I have a feeling that they wouldn't be too eager to protect it.
yea i wasn't sure if it was actually illegal or not in america when i was reading that sorta thing. which is kinda my point, it doesn't really matter if it's illegal because it's still child porn.
The ruzzians snuck in last night and put a folder of loli on desktopit would be funny if they find out about our vaushbad masterpost and blame us for this.
It also might be worth reposting that since there is renewed interest in Vsh bad, ig
Its funny they are blaming destiny and hasan like its a hit made by them to take out their cult leader
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V*ush is the posterboy for "leftist" grifters
I thought anarcho-bidenism was supposed to be a joke, but at least he's managed to turn it to a as internally consistent ideology as possible by supporting zoophilia, pedophilia and nato
If you come for the king, you best not miss