• Cummunism [they/them, he/him]
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    8 months ago

    President Volodymyr Zelensky delivered a stark message to Congress in an interview on Thursday as Russian missiles were pounding southern Ukraine: Give us the weapons to stop the Russian attacks, or Ukraine will escalate its counterattacks on Russia’s airfields, energy facilities and other strategic targets.

    "give us more weapons or we're going to attack Russia"

    lolwut. why wouldnt you just do that regardless? life is rough for a CIA asset who isn't allowed to surrender.

    • 420stalin69
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      8 months ago

      The USA instructed them to stop attacking Russian oil refineries because it was fucking with the price of oil in an election year.

      In effect, they’re telling the US they will fuck with the pump price of gas if they don’t get a more bombs.

      • Cummunism [they/them, he/him]
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        8 months ago

        that explains the energy facilities and other strategic targets part, not sure why they would stop attacking airfields though, seems like Ukraine should want to do that either way.

        • 420stalin69
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          8 months ago

          Yeah in the abstract it makes sense but it is in the context of demanding ammunition for front line needs, so posing these secondary and tertiary targets as a “supply us or else we will do this” pretty much reveals the game.

          In the context of begging for weapons to stabilize a collapsing front line, then prioritizing secondary targets like airfields and tertiary targets like oil refineries doesn’t actually make much sense.

          It reminds me of the Germans investing massive resources to the V2 rocket program to strike London. At face value it might seem impressive to be able to strike your enemy’s capital but when you look at the competing strategic concerns Germany was facing at the time, you quickly realize it was a move of desperate impotency.

          For Ukraine to pose this as an “or else” to the west like this makes it clear to me they’re playing a kind of brinksmanship.

          Supply us or else we will seek to drag you into this anyway. Supply us or else we escalate the war with Russia at a point when we are already losing. Supply us or else we make it untenable for Russia to have a negotiated peace, making this a war of annihilation - meaning you will have to deal with the prospect of Kyiv and Lviv eventually being occupied. Supply us or else we will maximize the cost of Ukraine losing this war and make you pick up the tab.

          Supply us or else we will continue targeting strategically close-to-meaningless oil refineries for the sole effect of jacking the price of oil for you.

          It’s all about Ukraine seeking to desperately avert impending military collapse and seeking to avert it by maximizing the cost of that failure to the west.

          Ukraine is seeking to change the calculus: Supply us with your weapons or will make sure you have to use them anyway, so your cost-benefit analysis will force you to give them to us now.

          Brinksmanship played against their benefactors. Something something biting the hand because it stopped feeding you.

      • CommunistCuddlefish [she/her]
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        8 months ago

        So now Ukraine is threatening to interfere with the election to tip it against Biden and in favor of dRumpf! Russia has already won! /lib

    • EmmaGoldman [she/her, comrade/them]
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      8 months ago

      What an incredible strategy, though. "If you cut off your support for us, we will launch a massive hail marry in an attempt to get Russia to initiate MAD and kill the entire world including you."

    • Rojo27 [he/him]
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      8 months ago

      Weird ultimatum. I'm sure Congress is quaking in its boots.

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