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  • ashinadash [she/her]
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    4 months ago
    stupid contrarian shit

    Uh if clothes are like 90% of passing hst-gun then o shit waddup? Am I passing with just the 10%? Did I input a cheat code?? is it being skinny and having long hair, yeah probably

    Sorry I don't mean for this to seem confrontational, not my intent, but I feel so weird hearing this when I'm walking around in a tank and sweats, or like a men's tee and an army jacket and jeans. I do really agree that yelling at people about needing to actually wear femme clothes would be cool, I see the point, I'm just curious. Grant me your knowledge of How Passing Works, o Seryph ✨

    • 🎀 Seryph (She/Her)@lemmygrad.ml
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      4 months ago
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      Don't worry I didn't take it that way at all.

      I guess what I mean is more like, your body passing is all about your figure right? And clothes can heavily influence your figure, up to what I would say is 90%.

      For you, your body is slim and you've been on hormones long enough that your figure reads feminine. So if you're wearing clothes that fit then they're going to be shaped like your body, and then you'd pass despite not wearing traditionally femme clothes. But also a tank is absolutely a femme piece of clothing. Men's tees similarly will fit your figure if they're in your size, and so even though they're men's clothes they'd look femme on you. (and if they're bigger then they'll actually make you seem smaller, which similarly makes you pass as femme more)

      For me, my figure right now is very androgynous, but I can make it appear a lot more feminine just by wearing femme clothing. Since my figure is androgynous, it doesn't really matter what femme clothing I wear since my figure will be ambiguous regardless. So wearing something femme will make me pass even if I'm wearing it in a way that doesn't accentuate femininity in my figure. This goes both ways for me right now though, if I wear masculine clothing (that isn't too big for me) I'll be read as a man. Ambiguous clothing will defer to whatever the rest of my presentation is, but if everything is ambiguous I'll be read as masc. I basically just need to avoid accentuating masculine qualities and I'm fine.

      For someone with a more masculine figure, they can use clothes to hide their masculine aspects. High waist bottoms being the big example that I love and wear all the time since they make your hips look wider and waist thinner. Other examples include things which deemphasise your shoulders such as accessories that draw your eye away from them towards your chest or shirts that emphasise your arms proper. Etc... Etc... I still benefit from these so I still use these tricks a lot. Plus high waists are pretty and I love them.

      So essentially, I would say that your clothes are still 90% of what make you pass not because they are feminine necessarily but rather because they don't obscure your figure's femininity when you wear them. If you wanted to not pass you could apply the tricks masc bodies need in reverse to emphasise your masculinity and look more masc again, essentially. So by not doing that, the clothes you wear are still a part of how you pass even if technically it's your body doing the work. Yes this is me twisting the meaning a bit to fit what I initially said, but I do genuinely think this is how it works.

      Obviously whether a person's face passes is a whole different can of worms hence why I mentioned long hair being half of that whole affair. You need both to actually pass though.

      • ashinadash [she/her]
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        4 months ago
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        Okay thanks bocchi-cry

        Realising that being on hormones a really long time actually does make a notable difference is kinda rad. I know the babytrans hate waiting, but Hey, just pop some pills for a while, it's gonna slap!! I was gonna say though yeah, as discussed in the SMALL SHIRT BIG PANTS/BIG SHIRT SMALL PANTS comment thread, sometimes "androgynous" clothes can contribute positively toward your figure. I seem small :> I thought men wore tanks too, and mine are pretty loose, but aight I guess I'll take the W ✨

        Hm okay, so it's less literally that clothes are 90% on their own, but more how they interact with the rest of your presentation and form, and also putting some intentionality into the way you present (orange book) helps a lot.

        High waisted stuff fucks bocchi-party I had no idea you could de-emphasise your shoulders though, that is good to know. Look at all this stuff I kind of understand!!!

        Okay this tracks, I think I get it now. There's a lot more going on than in the initial statement, very cool. I'm learning the stuff!!!!

        Shouts to having long femme hair also ✨

        • 🎀 Seryph (She/Her)@lemmygrad.ml
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          4 months ago
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          Yeah basically I'm saying if you're fashion-pilled passing becomes easier and even if you're not it helps a lot to incorporate some basic ideas.

          Yeah the shoulders thing can be done! I'm gonna take an example of a dress I actually own to show what I mean since it incorporates several of the tricks into it:

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          Here there are two things going on, the first is that the white chest draws your eyes toward it away from your shoulders. The second is that the princess sleeves emphasise the forearms and thereby also draw attention away. I love the princess sleeves btw they're so fun and flowy.

          There's other ways you can deemphasise them too, angled sleeves on a short sleeve for instance can do it by angling it so your eyes don't rest on them. Or you can wear capelets! I love capelets.

          Love long femme hair, simple as.

          • ashinadash [she/her]
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            4 months ago
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            I am un-fashion-pilled, I dunno what stuff is, got the wrong kinda autism sadly :/

            Yo that's cool, seeing an example as you describe it is super handy. De-emphasised shoulders, how about that shit!! niko-wonderous

            SIMPLE AS

            • 🎀 Seryph (She/Her)@lemmygrad.ml
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              4 months ago
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              Yeah I always like to have an example when explaining fashion concepts. That fashion effort post I keep wanting to finish was going to have one but I'm too busy and eepy all the time to work on it.

              Also thanks for being a contrarian. 💜 Talking about this fashion stuff improved my mood somewhat

              • ashinadash [she/her]
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                4 months ago
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                I'm still looking forward to whenever you can work on it!!! Cool post idea!!!!!

                Lmao you're welcome cat-trans Glad it did!! It is fun tbh.